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Welsh place names

Post by John_T » 12 Jul 2007 18:34

I think Welsh place names would be a nice addition. I don't think a total Cymraeg (Welsh) translation is necessary but the place names I'd love to see.

You see, place names would be quite easy to implement as many places in Wales are made up of words. I am no welsh speaker but have recently moved to Wales and love the way the place names (their Welsh names) sound.

Aber is a good begginning for a would be place name. My hometown is Abergwaun, (pronounced abergwine). Aber means 'mouth of (river)' and Gwaun is the name of the river that runs into the sea here.

Another example is, Llantrisant. Llan 'church of (name)' tri 'three' sant 'saints'.

And another: Llanddewi-brefi Llan 'church of (name) 'Ddewi' David *by the* -brefi 'stream'.

The Welsh capital, Cardiff's welsh name is Caerdydd. Caer means 'fort' dydd I don't know...

There is a famous TRAIN STATION in north wales called: Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch which means roughly 'The Church of St. Mary by the pool with the white hazel near the rapid whirlpool by St. Tysilio's church and the red cave'.



aber mouth of river
afon river/stream
bach small, lesser
braich ridge
bron slope of a hill
bryn hill
bwlch pass
cadair stronghold, chair
caer fort
canol centre
cant hundred
capel chapel
carreg stone
castell castle
clun meadow
clwyd gate
coch red
coed forest
craig rock
crib ridge
cwm valley head
cyntaf first
de south
dinas fort
dôl meadow
dros over
du vlack
dwyrain east
fan mountain
fawr big
fferm farm
foel bare hill
ffordd road
fforest forst
gallt slope
gardd garden
gawr torrent
glas blue
glyn deep valley
gogledd north
gorllewin west
gwyn white
gwyrdd green
hen old
isaf lower
llan clearing, early church
lle place
llwyd grey
llyn lake
llys place, court
maen stone
maes field
mawr large
melin mill
melyn yellow
merthyr burial place of saint
moel bare hill
môr sea
morfa coastal marsh
mynydd mountain
nant brook
newydd new
nos night
ogof cave
parc park
pant hollow
pen peak/top
pentref villiage
plas hall
pont bridge
porth port
rhiw hill
rhyd ford
taf dark
tomen mound
traeth beach
tref town
trum ridge
tŵr tower
tŷ house
uchaf upper/higher
uwch higher
wrth near, by
y the
ynys island

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Post by orudge » 13 Jul 2007 14:59

Being from Wales myself (to some degree), it would be quite nice to see some Welsh names. I may look into knocking up a newgrf for this, if I've got the time!

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Re: Welsh place names

Post by Citizen Erased » 13 Jul 2007 17:36

John_T wrote:The Welsh capital, Cardiff's welsh name is Caerdydd. Caer means 'fort' dydd I don't know...
Dydd is day... Caerdydd therefore means Day Fort.

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Re: Welsh place names

Post by John_T » 21 Jul 2007 16:40

Thanks for that citizen erased, always good to learn new things.

And to XeryusTC for me to make a newgrf personally may be difficult because I am stupid. Though if orudge finds the time, wow, I would be happy!

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Re: Welsh place names

Post by mr.adam » 21 Jul 2007 19:24

Don't forget Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantyssiliogogogoch

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Re: Welsh place names

Post by Moriarty » 22 Jul 2007 11:58

mr.adam wrote:Don't forget Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantyssiliogogogoch
You didn't read the first post did you?

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Re: Welsh place names

Post by orudge » 22 Jul 2007 15:35

John_T wrote:Though if orudge finds the time, wow, I would be happy!
I haven't so far, but also, it looks a bit more difficult than I originally thought, too. ;) If anyone else wants to have a shot, feel free.

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Re: Welsh place names

Post by legoscia » 28 Jul 2007 00:28

I hacked a Welsh place name NewGRF together. I don't know a single word of Welsh, so I just took your list of words, and randomly put 2, 3 or 4 of them together. Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch is too long (the limit is 30 letters), but I made sure that its short form, Llanfairpwllgwyngyll, is always present on the map.

Note that you need a nightly build, as the latest released version of OpenTTD doesn't support pluggable town names.

If you're looking at how I did it, note that I had to create 4 almost identical chains of words. The first is uppercased, but the other three differ only in their firstbit value, to avoid having the same name part repeated, which would have happened if I had just jumped to the same chain three times.
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Welsh Town Names v0.1: NewGRF file
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Welsh Town Names v0.1: source NFO file
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Re: Welsh place names

Post by John_T » 28 Jul 2007 13:11

WOW!

I'm quite astonished, amazed, and pleasently surprised.

Thank you.

This will certainly satisfy my needs for a bit of Welshness in the game! :)

For your information I have built a train station at Llanfairpwllgwyngyll.

I think you have done a brilliant job and although a welsh speaker may find some irregularities (I don't speak welsh either I just copied the list from a book) I reckon that you deserve a medal.
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Medal for legoscia. It is 1024 x 768, I hope you haven't got a big big monitor.
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