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Sadguardian wrote:Does anyone saw this problem or encountered it ?
PS: I've attached a save game too

I can't open the save in OTTD r25151. Something wrong with it.

Your problem sounds like one in chillpp: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php? ... 0#p1060790
Are you using that patch-pack, and running a version before that bug got fixed, by any chance?

The game was loaded in openttd-newmapfeatures-r25136 but it did happened in other versions of ottd (1.05, 1.1.0...). Regarding to 1.47 patch, I never use it

Is there a way to make the save game accessible for testing somehow ?

Sadguardian wrote:Is there a way to make the save game accessible for testing somehow ?

Nope.

Before you report issues like this, it is good practice to also try to reproduce the problem in standard unpatched openttd.
If you manage to do this, you should ask in the normal threads like this one.
If you fail to reproduce the issue in unpatched openttd, it is safe to assume the openttd patch itself is to blame. You should contact the author of the patch in that case.

It's hard to reproduce in normal ottd because it does have a limit of GRF allowed to be introduced in a new game....I'm using above 90 newgrf...and I've did reproduced it many times with different versions of ECS and ottd...same problem
With FIRS works correctly but I wouldn't choose one over another and I'm willing to run in this way than to give up from ECS vectors. I just hope after making the whole Europe, things wouldn't go from worst to really bad...

..still I will submit this problem to another topic and check if I can make it running properly.
In other cases, I don't have any idea what it could be...

Sadguardian wrote:I've did reproduced it many times with different versions of ECS and ottd...same problem

provide a savegame please

I've posted an early version of my savegame, hope this one works...and remember, it's made in a newer version of ottd, more exactly, from here: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php? ... &start=140

Thanks

Sadguardian wrote:I've posted an early version of my savegame, hope this one works...and remember, it's made in a newer version of ottd, more exactly, from here: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php? ... &start=140

It is not the trunk.
Unfortunately, I can't solve bugs that I can't reproduce. Please reproduce the bug in the trunk.

Did that and hope I did it correctly. I've started a new game (ottd last stable release 1.3.0) and only used ECS vectors + ECS addon and here are the results for Chemical and Plastic Plant:



and in scenario editor it happens the same thing:


What's the most weird thing, all industries with problems, are those who use fuel (Oil Wells and Refinery), Chemical, Plastic and 2-3 more. I've had the same problem last year with Glass Works, Sand Pit (but Oil Wells and Refinery worked correctly then)

Ah and the savegame is at the bottom.

Sadguardian wrote:Did that and hope I did it correctly. I've started a new game (ottd last stable release 1.3.0) and only used ECS vectors + ECS addon and here are the results for Chemical and Plastic Plant:
Ah and the savegame is at the bottom.

You have started a scenario. Does it happen in a new random game?

Sadguardian wrote:Did that and hope I did it correctly. I've started a new game

Where did you get the scenario from? Did you modify it, especially the used NewGRFs?

If you did the latter, I suggest you disable the developer tools which you trip yourself over: close OpenTTD, then set
scenario_developer 0
in your openttd.cfg, then re-start OpenTTD.

You have started a scenario. Does it happen in a new random game?

It seems it doesn't. With your idea, I've tried to start a new game on temperate and it does work correctly now. In this case it should be the scenario ?

Where did you get the scenario from? Did you modify it, especially the used NewGRFs?

Besides loading it in Scenario Editor and applying newGRF, saving it and playing after, I didn't do any modifies...
The scenario is called Europe (second on the list), from here: http://bananas.openttd.org/en/scenario/
If I set it to false or 0, how I'm gone introduce newgrf in a scenario ?

Sadguardian wrote:Does anyone saw this problem or encountered it ?
This should have been an Chemical Plant...Thanks

It appears that the Industries GRF has been added OR changed (Either to a new version or from one set to another) either in the SaveGame OR in the original Scenario.
The Coal Mine Sprites are a frequent occurrence when this sort of thing has happened...

No solution I'm afraid, other than DON'T change NewGRFs in either the Scenario Editor or Savegame; some you can get away with, but industry sets, even for version updates, don't tend to be successful.

The basic rule to follow is unless the NewGRF or Patch developer says that it will work (For example the update between ISR 0.81 and 0.82 stated compatibility); it most likely won't. Feel free to try it out, but always be prepared for your savegame/scenario to go wrong immediately or a few years in...

You are right, it is possible that in a few years everything to be messed up (industry or rails or anything else) and I was aware of that because when I've started the game I've placed every type of rail, industry, roads to check if they work how it should do and they worked correctly but after some time.....
So, 99 % it is my fault but my next question is, how could I play on a real based Europe map and use my preferred GRF ?
And if I did get it right, any patch would do harm to a new game because incompatibilities between GRF, so what's the point for making patches for departure timetables, 24h day length, etc. if they can be used ?

Sadguardian wrote:

You have started a scenario. Does it happen in a new random game?

It seems it doesn't. With your idea, I've tried to start a new game on temperate and it does work correctly now. In this case it should be the scenario ?

Where did you get the scenario from? Did you modify it, especially the used NewGRFs?

Besides loading it in Scenario Editor and applying newGRF, saving it and playing after, I didn't do any modifies...

If I set it to false or 0, how I'm gone introduce newgrf in a scenario ?

You don't. And that's the whole point. You made here a good example why this is disabled by default.

You should not use developer settings unless you know what they do, what they imply and what there possible consequences can be. You messed with the savegame, expressly accepted the consequences by clicking 'ok' in a red warning window. And now come and complain that the savegame or scenario is bugged after tempering with it in one of the worst possible ways: changing NewGRFs, most importantly industry NewGRFS, after it was initially created. Generally changing NewGRFs after a map is created NEVER works. If it appears to work, it still may have consequences which are not obvious and lead to bugs and crashes later on - all due to tempering with it in the first place.

Sadguardian wrote:how could I play on a real based Europe map and use my preferred GRF

configure your NewGRFs to what you want to use. Then go to create new game and choose a heightmap which shows the map section(s) you want to play with.

Do you know a place where I can get a real height map ? Because all have mountains in the sky

Sadguardian wrote:Do you know a place where I can get a real height map ? Because all have mountains in the sky

You can export the heightmap of a scenario you like and then play on that with whatever grfs you want. Load it in the scenario editor and look for "Save heightmap" in the save menu.

Done that. It was something that I didn't know, thanks!
Saved the heightmap, applied the newgrf before, hit the play heightmap button...and hoping it will work for 1 year or more
Correctly if I'm wrong...and sorry for making off-topic posts about something which was my fault.

I'm having a small problem. When I start a map with minimal industry, I never get enough coal mines compared to steel mills and power plants.

hi, can someone delete my email in this topic, page 22, please?