Legallity of OpenTTD
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Yet another retard that didn't read a word of what was said. Say what you want about victimless, but it is still a crime, and nothing is going to change that. The copyright holders not wanting to sue, there "not being a victim", the lack of traceability, etc. included.
The developers already know this, and have accepted the risks. The best we know is that Atari will not sue at the moment. However, whether this will change with the release of Locomotion is another thing. If Loco is a flop, more people may join this fine community, and Atari get jealous. They get jealous, they find out they own copyright. They own copyright, they sue their butts off. The developers already know this, and are confident enough that it won't happen in the near future, and the original design right expires within the next year (10 years to day of the first copies of TTD going on sale). Atari may be happy with it, and might even give their approval, but there ALWAYS remains teh possibility of action, even if it is remote.
We all know it's a problem, and the developers are happy to carry on. Discussion about legality is not going ot change that, but remember that it is illegal. It is an improved experience in different ways to TTDPatch, and I'll be playing around with it some more later, but it's still illegal.
The developers already know this, and have accepted the risks. The best we know is that Atari will not sue at the moment. However, whether this will change with the release of Locomotion is another thing. If Loco is a flop, more people may join this fine community, and Atari get jealous. They get jealous, they find out they own copyright. They own copyright, they sue their butts off. The developers already know this, and are confident enough that it won't happen in the near future, and the original design right expires within the next year (10 years to day of the first copies of TTD going on sale). Atari may be happy with it, and might even give their approval, but there ALWAYS remains teh possibility of action, even if it is remote.
We all know it's a problem, and the developers are happy to carry on. Discussion about legality is not going ot change that, but remember that it is illegal. It is an improved experience in different ways to TTDPatch, and I'll be playing around with it some more later, but it's still illegal.
There is no need to flame!Stylesjl wrote:Are you telling yourself to shut up?
You might say/think otherwise, but the current situation is exactly like ChrisF has described.
Atari don't give a damn about Transport Tycoon. 'Unfortunately', right now Locomotion has been announced, which would be the part2 of TTD. If it fails, Atari would be more than happy to put the blame somewhere else, for example on 'software piracy', since that's such a hot item now. You never know what managers and hungry-money executives will do.
Yes, OpenTTD is a highly similar derivative of TTD, and we can only hope that Atari won't sue, or that the game has changed so much until then, that it's a completely different game.
End of discussion!
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They can try to sue you based on any version that you released. The early versions of OpenTTD show the orgin quite clearly, and the sequence of versions could be seen as a try to disguise the origin.Darkvater wrote: Yes, OpenTTD is a highly similar derivative of TTD, and we can only hope that Atari won't sue, or that the game has changed so much until then, that it's a completely different game.
I'm not sure if a lot of changes in future versions will really protect you. The history of the project is known and the origin is quite clear.
AFAIK the only legally proven way to do a rewrite is to strip all function from the code until it's mere skeleton of interfaces. Publish this skeleton - it doesn't work, and it contains no 'stolen' code. From this point add the functionality (write the code). Document (publish) each step.
This way noone can sue you for stealing code. You started with an empty skeleton (prven by publishing it) and added the functionality by yourself (proven by each release).
I am not a lawyer, this is just what I saw to happen in the Unix history.
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"Don't write off the Germans." Just because out of two possibilities, one is almost certain, and the other is so unlikely to be insignificant, don't ignore it. After all, 100-1 outsiders Greece just won Euro 2004, and POTUS Bush actually came second in the election. Say what you like about Atari being unlikely to put their foot down here, but less likely things have happened.
I'm locking this topic. Ludde, who did the reverse engineering, is from a country with "open access" laws. Transport Tycoon is owned by a company also from a country with those laws. It means its unlikely they'd have any claim, as it provides people with unsupported systems access to the game they legally own.
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