OpenTTD 12.0 released!

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Re: OpenTTD 12.0-beta2 released!

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saus wrote: 20 Aug 2021 16:55 Of course people who live in the ground floor easily can get home through the window. It's quite silly to make doors in the ground floors :idea:
if you think your suggestion amounts to a front door in the context of this game, then you probably need to rethink your perspective.
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Re: OpenTTD 12.0-beta2 released!

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Funny enough
Thing I was asking for is already in game for newgrf
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So why it can't be over there?
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By the way I've had a good dive into the boards. I'm not the first asking for this feature and quite a shame almost same people been opposing it for years.
And no worries - I did rethink my perspective - I will brick front door into my house :wink:
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We still cannot decide to include some default AI in the game installer. That is, playing with CPU is not possible until you read the wiki and install AI yourself, which is much less obvious than the dev team thinks. Adding easy to use difficulty setting is asking too much from the dev team.
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pelya wrote: 25 Aug 2021 21:02 We still cannot decide to include some default AI in the game installer. That is, playing with CPU is not possible until you read the wiki and install AI yourself, which is much less obvious than the dev team thinks. Adding easy to use difficulty setting is asking too much from the dev team.
Because nobody currently "on the team" wants to maintain an AI in addition to the game itself. And if there was someone right now who wanted to, what would happen if that person left, or disappeared, and the AI suddenly was without maintainer. Stop shipping it as a feature, or keep shipping something that will be deteriorating and nobody can support?

As for "difficulty settings", it was already explained: It's not even clear what determines "difficulty" in the game. There can even be cases where a setting that is more difficult for one person is actually perceived as easier for another person. (Example, in the original TTD, the "trains reverse at stations" or "trains reverse at end of line only" was a difficulty setting, with the latter being considered "harder", but it turns out it's actually required to make certain Ro-Ro station builds work at all. So is it actually more difficult then?)
Is Cargo Distribution a difficulty setting? Are train wagon speed limits a difficulty setting? Is plane speed factor a difficulty setting? Is automatic reversing at signals a difficulty setting? Are the disasters a difficulty setting or just a leftover unfun game mechanic from a different era? Are random plane crashes a difficulty setting or a relic? Is default town road layout a difficulty setting? Is "smooth economy" a difficulty setting, and does it make things easier or harder?
Ask ten people and you get ten different answers to these.
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jfs wrote: 25 Aug 2021 23:02 Example, in the original TTD, the "trains reverse at stations" or "trains reverse at end of line only" was a difficulty setting, with the latter being considered "harder", but it turns out it's actually required to make certain Ro-Ro station builds work at all.
What are those builds? I'm just curious. I have always thought that the defining feature of a Ro-Ro station is that trains don't have to reverse.
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jfs wrote: 25 Aug 2021 23:02 As for "difficulty settings", it was already explained: It's not even clear what determines "difficulty" in the game.
Well, of the settings available in the game, in my opinion there are actually only a few that can be objectively considered as game difficulty settings.

- maximum amount of the loan
- infrastructure maintenance (on/off)
- crisis (on/off)
- vehicle breakdowns
- planes speed*
- number of plane crashes*
- possibility of founding raw industries

All the others are already preferences and playstyle settings. For me, even planes speed and crashes are more of a preference setting, and as difficulty settings will mainly work in game without add-ons.

However, I think that being able to save and select a preset like this would be something quite useful. The availability of ready-made settings wouldn't be bad either. Not necessarily only easy/medium/hard. I think more contemporary settings like "Classic TT" or "Cargodist" could also be interesting. It could also be made so that the selection of a game preset could be linked to a NewGRF preset - if the presets has the same name, the other preset would be turned on automatically.
Btw. For these easy/hard settings to make more sense, it would be useful to add multipliers from the Base Cost Mod to the game - that's what Spring2013 had.
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LaChupacabra wrote: 26 Aug 2021 06:55 Well, of the settings available in the game, in my opinion there are actually only a few that can be objectively considered as game difficulty settings.
On the other hand, there is a gazillion of settings that impact game difficulty, like pretty much everything relating to cargodist, cargo generation factors, arguably even the pathfinder settings... and therefor, separating the "objective" difficulty settings you stated from all the other settings doesn't make the user experience less confusing but arguably does the exact opposite.
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this is exactly what i was talking about when i said the feature is difficult to design properly. as soon as you start a discussion, you get 10 people that think they talk about the same thing, but mean something completely different.

like saying "almost no setting is a difficulty setting" and also saying "almost all settings affect difficulty".

or "there are too many settings, it's confusing people" vs. "it would be less confusing if there were more settings"

and the worst thing about this is, all of those statements can be true at the same time.
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Yes - UX design is hard.
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This new players menu is inconvenient when somebody is willing to go into spectate mode.
Please bring back spectate button available directly in "online players" pulldown menu, to many mouse movement/pointer targeting is involved now.
And going spectate is crucial for servers which stop game without active players (it is always better to go afk rather than log out and in and load map).

Edit: also small but annoying quirk: when object construction window is opened, it is focused on filter string, therefore it is not possible to quickly close this window using DEL key.
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Just my 2c- I am relatively new to openttd (been playing for a couple of months) and I didn’t find the menus confusing at all. I think you’ve done pretty well to explain things, and anything I didn’t understand I would search and learn on my own. I find part of the fun of the game is learning something new every time I hit play. My thanks to those who put the time and effort into this game.
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This could well be just me, but I set my Steam OpenTTD to run on Betas and RCs and it won't launch anymore. Even reverting to the standard versions keeps the issue. A blank screen loads but no error messages are displayed. I did try reinstalling it, and obviously rebooting. It seems to run fine when downloaded the "regular" way.
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the settings get saved with every savegame. so you don't have to touch anything if you load an existing savegame, only when you want to start a new map.
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McZapkie wrote: 03 Sep 2021 11:45Edit: also small but annoying quirk: when object construction window is opened, it is focused on filter string, therefore it is not possible to quickly close this window using DEL key.
I've created a PR to fix this.
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