3D Transport Tycoon

A 3D Transport Tycoon-like game, an incomplete version of which was released as "Trains & Trucks Tycoon".
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Post by Singaporekid » 08 Apr 2005 05:24

Das alte 3DTT-Forum ist einem technischen Schlaganfall erlegen und wird wahrscheinlich nicht mehr reaktiviert werden. Es wurde ein neues Forum eingerichtet, zu erreichen über http://3dtt.novatek.de
Yay! :D
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Post by Purno » 08 Apr 2005 17:47

It's a german forum :roll: :(
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Post by PJayTycy » 08 Apr 2005 17:52

The official 3dtt forum has always been german. I don't know why there is no link on the running-gag page to the new forum. How did you (singaporekid) find out about the new adress ?

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Post by Singaporekid » 10 Apr 2005 09:56

I found it on http://www.3dtt.de , It's even on the main page
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Post by John » 11 Apr 2005 21:00

6. April 2005: Der Gutachter gutachtet

Die Gegenseite hat offenbar grünes Licht gegeben (was mich jetzt doch etwas verwundert, sind denen die Ideen am Ende doch ausgegangen?) und W. Bannwitz konnte sich nun endlich an die Arbeit machen. Zuerst einmal hat er mich zu Tode erschreckt, als er mich anrief, weil er 3DTT nicht starten konnte, und dann lief es auf seiner schwer veralteten S3-Grafikkarte mehr schlecht als recht.
Diese Probleme sollten aber inzwischen kein Hindernis mehr darstellen. Nichts kann jetzt noch den Vergleich verhindern, und jetzt werden wir ja sehen, wer recht hat.
Ärgern tu ich mich nach wie vor darüber, daß die Gegenseite den Sourcecode hat verschwinden lassen und trotz ihrer ungeheuer schlecht vorgebrachten Lügen dafür keins auf den Deckel bekommen hat. Die Sourcecodes zu vergleichen, hätte sehr viel Zeit gespart, und dem Gutachter eine Menge Arbeit. Wäre es nach mir gegangen, hätte 2002 eine beweissichernde Hausdurchsuchung stattgefunden.
Gottlob macht das Fehlen den Vergleich nicht gänzlich unmöglich. So gründlich Uebbing jetzt beim Verschleppen des Prozesses ist, so schlampig hat er damals die Spuren seiner Tat verwischt. An den compilierten Dateien von Schiene und Straße klebt immer noch so viel Blut (um es mal dichterisch auszudrücken), daß man kein Genie zu sein braucht, um zu sehen, was Sache ist. Insbesondere die unwahre Behauptung, Schiene und Strasse sei in C++ geschrieben worden, wird Uebbing das Genick brechen.
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Post by SHADOW-XIII » 12 Apr 2005 08:22

need more English :wink:
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Post by John » 12 Apr 2005 12:48

why?

fine,
gd news. the gutachter has been given permission (from the opponent) to compare the code from T&TT and 3DTT. and all the lies that Uebbing made will be revealed.
and so on and so forth.

if you want a better translation either
a)wait 3 months till i have finished school
b)go bug patchman to translate it :P

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Post by John » 17 May 2005 11:30

2. Mai 2005: Gutachten fertig, Gericht tot

Das Gutachten ist fertig; Auch wenn es weit unter den Möglichkeiten geblieben ist, kann man die Fakten nicht wegdiskutieren: Es gibt einen Haufen Übereinstimmungen, die kein Zufall sein können. Ich werde demnächst ein paar Auszüge einscannen und hier online stellen, dann kann sich jeder selbst ein Bild machen.
"Weit unter den Möglichkeiten" bedeutet, daß der Gutachter da noch mehr hätte rausholen können, z.B. finde ich es schade, daß er nicht erkennen konnte, mit welcher Programmiersprache Schiene und Strasse programmiert wurde (obwohl Delphi da mehrere Visitenkarten hinterlassen hat, u.a. Pfadangaben zu den Bibliotheken und den String "DELPHI32.EXE"), aber gut, lassen wir das. Was er gefunden hat, reicht. Schon die Hälfte davon würde reichen.

Mir fällt insofern ein Stein vom Herzen, weil ich seit Uebbings erfolgreicher Beweisvereitelung sehr paranoid geworden bin. Mein Alptraum war ein mit perfider Absicht ausgewählter, bestochener oder vertrottelter Gutachter, der strikt der unglücklichen Fragestellung des Gerichts folgt und "TT3D.EXE" byteweise mit "Schiene und Strasse.exe" vergleicht und zum Schluß kommt, daß es Null Übereinstimmungen gibt ("Schiene und Strasse.exe" ist nur das Menü mit dem Kopierschutz, das eigentliche Programm ist in der TTT_DX.DLL bzw. TTT_GL_DLL getarnt)
Aber gut, diese Befürchtung war gottlob unberechtigt.

Das war die gute Nachricht.

Die schlechte: Der Herr Vorsitzende Richter hat sein Wort gebrochen. Er hatte mir in der vorletzten Verhandlung, als ich schimpfte, daß mir das alles zu langsam geht, zugesichert, daß spätestens nach dem Gutachten alles viel zügiger als zu Beginn vonstatten gehen würde.
Tja, und nun habe ich die Ladung zum nächsten Gerichtstermin in der Hand:
Mittwoch, 18. Januar 2006
Ich bin fassungslos, ich bin schockiert, und ich bin mächtig sauer. Ich hatte wirklich gehofft, diese Räuberpistole in diesem Jahr zu Ende bringen zu können. Aber nein.
Ich habe mich mal kundig gemacht: Man kann diesen langen Zeitraum trotz der Sprichtwörtlichkeit der langsamen deutschen Geriche nicht einmal mehr als "üblich" oder nur "leicht über dem Durchschnitt" bezeichnen. Das ist einfach nur noch absurd.
Und sofort springt natürlich meine Paranoia wieder an, und ich frage mich: Wenn das Gutachten zu meinen Ungunsten ausgefallen wäre ... Wäre der nächste Gerichtstermin dann schon im Juni diesen Jahres gewesen?
Und wenn wir dann im Januar wieder beieinanderhocken werden ... Wird irgendjemand etwas sagen dürfen?
Ein Schelm, der Schlechtes dabei denkt.
Ich weiß, daß Sie das lesen, Herr Richter! Sie haben mir ihr Wort gegeben. Sie haben es mir gegeben ...



in english:
the external observer compared T&TT with 3DTT and said that T&TT was definately made from 3DTT, and if need be a lot more evidence could be extracted from the code.
and based on that the next court case is in January, yes Peter was been proved right, the opponents guility and the next case is in January, yes thats january in 2006, the one in 7 months time.

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Post by Jan » 20 May 2005 17:19

@John,
you are leaving one super news out. Peter got offer from "some" publisher, if he finish 3DTT in one year, they will publish the game! He also offering some money (% from the final deal) to the people who will help him to finish the game. I think he mostly need 3D artists. And not the last, he will need more or new betatesters!

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Post by Caelan » 26 Jan 2006 14:19

This is indeed a sad story but it might have a good ending! I am curious how it ends now...

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Post by John » 19 Feb 2006 20:00

he doesnt update the official website as much, as the judges read it...

18. january
there is a new judge (3rd one) who is female and much younger - A LOT more energetic then the previous two (who retired i believe)
she has to look through all the files - and will inform them what happens next on the 1. march....


back to my gap year, and another random post in several months time... :P

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Post by Hobgoblin » 03 Mar 2006 22:50

this is excelent never knew there was so much of a mess behind the scenes with t&tt i have it and its a good game despite being incomplete i looked for a pach for ages
now i know why i didnt find 1 (i just d/loaded the 1 on this site to try it) its great to know we have a chance of a new complete vertion i hope it happens it has so much going for it

and i hope peter makes a lot of money from it he deserves it the game really is quality even as a bug riddled beta i have very high expectations for the finished game

i love the 3D models of real vehicle and that you can run roadtrains (even if an atkinson pulling 2 trailers looks wrong lol) i hope he keeps this in the game but just tidys it up so that it looks right could do with an a frame bogey so that the trailer sits behind the towing vehicle (unless its an artic truck of course) like the little reefer trailer does talking of which
i love puttin that little reefer trailer (the 1 that goes with the merc) behind a reefer artic it slows it down and doesnt add much load but it looks cool

am gonna have to go play this now this site has done it again :lol: still thats why i keep comin back

ps sorry if that middle bit is a little confusing i am not very good at explaining things in writing as u cant see me wave my hands about lol

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Post by Dan » 18 Mar 2006 16:04

The court date got delayed again because the judge is sick, the new court date is March 22. :?
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Post by Caelan » 05 Apr 2006 10:11

Anyone knows what the outcome is?
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Post by khamura » 08 Apr 2006 13:52

According to the latest news on the page, he lost. :shock: :shock:
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Post by l_Blue_l » 17 Apr 2006 05:23

google translation of the latest news

" Due to technical and psychological problems only today an update. I have the judgement now, and everyone can read it: Left to the Scan as one sees, is concerned it with the question whether rail and road from 3DTT were not developed or not, at all! Up to a short paragraph, where the appraisal is mentioned, which wants to have only found "5% agreement". Which is so not completely correct, but the judgement is written, I have no more possibility of saying somewhat to it. Which makes me furious: I did not have those before also. The court never gave me to word come to let and never also only the smallest reference to whether and which does not believe it, or where the proofs would have been not sufficiently judged as. No communication. Everything abgeblockt, strangled. I do not want to commentate in detail, anyhow not here. The lawyer would say, the judgement supports themselves by Formalien. The fact that 3DTT is not innovatively dismissed completely besides as is natural like an impact into the stomach pit. Appointment? Now, I said that it will give so or so a second round, either I into appointment or my opponent goes. However I had counted secretly already on the fact that I would win. And my opponent, then I subordinate times, also. My lawyer means to recognize clear right offences in the judgement which lend good prospects to an appointment. But I am something zermuerbt for the moment, because these "attempts" cost all money. Should what stands in the judgement, everything its correctness to have, then I am considerable with my latin at the end. And it would mean the fact that my opponent was a genius whom from the outset planned and that means everything lawyer, me and the whole juridical system demonstrated."

what a bummer.

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Post by tydev417 » 17 Apr 2006 13:38

Sooo, that's it?? No game?? I have no clue what's going on.
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Post by John » 17 Apr 2006 14:18

he lost the court case and hes most likely going to appeal.

the court said that there was only 5% similarity between 3dtt and t&tt code - which isnt exactly true....

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Post by Caelan » 18 Apr 2006 09:33

I just hope this was his first case, otherwise appeal would be less of use. The first appeal might offer a better insight in what exactly happend. I just hope that he doesnt give up since it is a wonderful game that deserves to be published by its rightful author...
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Post by Redirect Left » 11 Jun 2006 00:00

damn, i hope he eventually wins, its looks a good game.
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