Recycled ECS NewObjects

[Gadg8eer]

You do nice work and I would like to use ECS graphics in a large industry set at some point (with introduction dates, a large economy and other features), but I understand if you would rather not have someone using graphics you put a lot of work into. Is there any chance I can get permission to use ECS graphics, please?

Hello
Unfortunately not all the graphics in the set is drawn by myself.
I can grant permissions in terms of CC BY-NC-SA to the ones, I did.
But graphics, drawn by others, in most cases have "ECS only" license.
Here https://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/ECS_Vectors you can find the authors of every industry.

For example
https://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/ECS_Town_V ... ein_Castle
Drawn by George, help by Oz, Zimmlock (road to entrance, shadows) and you can use it
https://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/ECS_Town_V ... _Karlstein
Drawn by Darkwalker, and he provided strict "ECS Only" license. You have to contact him
https://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/ECS_Town_Vector._Factory
Drawn by Zimmlock, and he provided this graphics for ECS. You have to contact him
https://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/ECS_Basic_ ... rick_works
Drawn by George, pit graphics based on sand pit by andythenorth. So, you can use all the graphics except the pit, and you need to ask andythenorth about it

So, I can't use the "Karlstein" castle, but according to what I understand...

"NeuSchwanstein Castle" is made by George, and thus I can use it under the CC BY-NC-SA 3.0 license.

The Town Vector factory was created by Zimmlock, who has stated that his works can be relicensed at will.

The brick works are mostly made by George, with the exception of the sand pit which is made by andythenorth.

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If you see this, may I get permission to use the sand pit of the ECS brick works in an ECS-themed NewObject set for use with the One Tile Industry Set?

I want to start the creation of an OTIS-compatible NewObjects set using as many ECS graphics as possible. Unfortunately, with my recent behavior, I have been kicked from the discord channel permanently, so I am asking here for a second dedicated coder to help me bring this set to its full potential.

I will handle converting sprites to a template and whatever coding I already know how to do, but I will have to rely on the other coder to teach me various things, or (if it's more convenient for both parties) to code it without passing on any knowledge to me. All coding credits will go to the other coder, since it would be wrong for me to claim I created any of this.

Thanks for looking at this. There will be no further mention of past conflicts and arguments after this sentence. This topic is purely to attempt to bring George's ECS industries up to the latest standards of industry sets.

For now, here's the source code and GRF for the beginnings of Recycled NewObjects: ECS project, which currently amounts to a proof of concept with the ECS Oil Well drawn by George. Other Recycled NewObjects sets (such as OpenGFX Mars, Total Town Renewal Set 3, and Ufiby Depots from U&RaTT/U&ReRMM and U&ReRMM 2), which are all at some point further along than this project, can be found on the in-game content downloader.

[michael blunck]

I'm really beginning to hate all this mediocre "recycling" of established sets. Especially if it is done by people which have neither graphical skills (or worse: who refuse to acquire them) nor any coding experience.

In fact, instead of further progress in set development, this trend seems to me not different to robbing. And of course, its outcome will be always worse than the original work.

This topic is purely to attempt to bring George's ECS industries up to the latest standards of industry sets.

Haha! On the contrary. The only serious enhancement of George's ECS set would be to include latest nfo/grf additions, code-wise.

Any graphical enhancements to this set seems to me out of reach for the current "modders". Especially, if it is done for just another one of these dreadful "object sets".

regards
Michael

[Quast65]

I'm really beginning to hate all this mediocre "recycling" of established sets. Especially if it is done by people which have neither graphical skills (or worse: who refuse to acquire them) nor any coding experience.
In fact, instead of further progress in set development, this trend seems to me not different to robbing. And of course, its outcome will be always worse than the original work.

I believe that it is up to the original creators to decide if they allow their work to be used in future projects.
If they want to protect their work from potentially being downgraded, they can do so very easily via licensing and/or copyrighting their work (for example as you are doing).

I personally think its a shame that some absolutely gorgeous graphics are just gathering virtual dust.
Converting those into objects makes them a lot easier to use.

Nonetheless, I think it is good that you voiced your opinion.
Graphics-artists and Coders should be very aware of what possibly can be done with their work and should therefor be careful with under what license they release their work.

[Gadg8eer]

So no? No one is willing to teach me anything? No one is willing to do the coding themselves?

What is WRONG with this community?! How am I supposed to figure out anything I haven't done before if I have no access to the community's other members?

[Tony Pixel]

So no? No one is willing to teach me anything? No one is willing to do the coding themselves?

What is WRONG with this community?! How am I supposed to figure out anything I haven't done before if I have no access to the community's other members?

Yes, nobody wants to. You was always begging others for help, and nothing ever gone right. Everyone here doesn't want to work with you as you had shown yourself in a role of infant, starting all these drama. There's no need to touch everything you see to help. I didn't read the whole story as I don't have enough time for such a useless thing, but only one I understood is that there's no one and nothing who can help you.
I sorry for offensive talk, and I wrote this mainly because I'm tired of seeing that the single thing happening in this community for last time is this war, which I think will not ever end.

[Gadg8eer]

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After a chat on discord, we've come to an understanding. Tony Pixel will be helping me to learn things like animations and multi-tile objects to be able to code ECS NewObjects!

I also want to apologize for losing my temper. You see, I used to be known as CyberBoy here, a long time ago, even before I was known as SimYouLater. I asked for GRFs to have options I would have found useful, and got a response of "no, do it yourself".

So, when I returned years later and took up the SimYouLater name, I tried to learn to code so that I could use my favorite graphics in ways the programmer never intended. This only resulted in people criticizing me for being "unoriginal" when originality was never what I was aiming for in the first place. I was aiming for adding more user options, and so I don't appreciate being told by one of the best GRF makers in the whole community that trying to support OTIS by reusing whatever ECS graphics can be legally acquired is "inferior to the original".

Nothing I've done has ever gotten anything but hate from this community. So I will be completing ECS NewObjects, and adding OGFX Mars industries to the Mars Habitat NewObjects, before hanging up my hat and leaving this community for good. For now, you can still expect at least a month of me sticking around to finish what I've started.

[acs121]

You surely haven't been SimYouLater, please stop using excuses to justify your unpleasant behavior and begin acting like if you were a rebel against the unjust forums. I did act somewhat like you did before but would've never got banned from the forums or the Discord.