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 Post subject: Diagonal Canals
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 2:47 pm 
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Only found a old thread talking about it

Where Yexo said : I haven't seen anybody who claims it's impossible. It's simply that A) nobody has created the graphics for it yet and B) nobody has coded support for it yet (no particular order).


We can now erase A), Diagonal Canal have now some graphics, not the best ever graphics (i made them and tried to match the existing canals graphics), but it s better than nothing, is there any volunteer to code them ?

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I first thought to use them as newobject, hence the "fake canal" name of the file...but i sincerely would prefer them usable for ships ;)

So i realise it s missing some end piece for diagonal canals, that would be really quick to do, but i don t see a use for it in newobjects, so i haven t made it yet...will do when someones is willing to code diagonal canals

Edit : All graphics i made are released under GPL v2 License

Edit 2 : corrected enlargement-straight piece


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 Post subject: Re: Diagonal Canals
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I once made graphics for diagonal rivers too.

But then I had a silly falling out with some of the devs about it, and deleted them in a rage-quit drama.

Silly me :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: Diagonal Canals
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andythenorth wrote:
diagonal rivers


but don t we allready have diagonal rivers ? at least with ogfx landscapes that is

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Très très beau... if only i knew some about C++...

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 Post subject: Re: Diagonal Canals
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romazoon wrote:
but don t we allready have diagonal rivers ? at least with ogfx landscapes that is

They're not strictly diagonal, it's a clever graphical trick with corners, and ships pretty much behave correctly when traversing them.

I wanted to put 'proper' diagonal rivers in the game without requiring a clever trick in a grf. I got a bit too attached to the idea and pulled a silly drama when some people said I was wasting my time on it :) .

Water under the bridge now :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: Diagonal Canals
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Again those Developers holding our hopes :twisted: The game is Dyiiinnnnnngggg :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: Diagonal Canals
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Patchers exist, you know :wink: If someone codes this and manages to convince the devs then it may be included. That how NewObjects got implemented in TTDPatch : someone requested it, then eis_os did a patch for that and it convinced enough Drexler to implement this feature.

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 Post subject: Re: Diagonal Canals
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acs121 wrote:
Patchers exist, you know :wink

I think we're both pretty aware of that, but thanks :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Diagonal Canals
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andythenorth wrote:
acs121 wrote:
Patchers exist, you know :wink

I think we're both pretty aware of that, but thanks :wink:


I love irony :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: Diagonal Canals
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Ha yeah, thanks ACS, i would have lost all hope without you :mrgreen:

Also We Need Water type! Why isn t it already in game ? :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: Diagonal Canals
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Hmmm...this wouldn't be quite realistic. We have rail types, road types and tram types thanks to NRT. Runway types could be added, though watertypes don't exist IRL.

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 Post subject: Re: Diagonal Canals
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acs121 wrote:
Runway types could be added, though watertypes don't exist IRL.

Of course they do ;) Depth, wave-size, prospective weather, salinity, etc. Not all boats would travel on every bit of water ^^;

(and actually a difference for canals and sea is already in the game ;) )


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 Post subject: Re: Diagonal Canals
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Pyoro wrote:
Of course they do ;) Depth, wave-size, prospective weather, salinity, etc. Not all boats would travel on every bit of water ^^


Indeed ! that s what i have in mind....water depth increments per 1 meters, salinity (different kind of salinity level impacting runningcost, mud , swamps, swamps with crocodiles,)

I think we can ask the devs to directly make maximum water type types 64

Of course i mean 64K :P


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 Post subject: Re: Diagonal Canals
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Even though water types exist, unlike rail, road and tram types, they don't have real differences. Ships - at least baseset ships - don't have much speed differences so it's no real use. Planes, however, don't have much speed differences either except for jet planes - though most of av8 aircraft have different speed.

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:mrgreen:

Ontopic, very nice graphics, I hope they make it in the game (at least as objects, if so, I would like to recommend some with a bit of overlap, so they can be visually connected to actual canals)

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 Post subject: Re: Diagonal Canals
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of course Quast, i thought of that and will indeed make some tiles with more water overlaping in case it stays as newobject ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Diagonal Canals
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I wonder what the best method for this is. If you make them build-able on water, as water objects, and draw the land portion instead of the water, you could use them for a 4-tile canal like this:
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You'd have a 1 tile line in the middle with proper water. But as you can see, depending on the canal graphics used, there'd still need to be more overlap ^^;


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 Post subject: Re: Diagonal Canals
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Haha ! Très drôle ! Ferdinand de Lesseps ! Alors qu'il n'a jamais construit de canaux en France...
Back on topic... let's hope someone's going to come and maybe code it...

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 Post subject: Re: Diagonal Canals
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Indeed Pyoro

problem with drawing the land though is that it would loose the climate awareness of the ground tile it s suposed to be built on...also i was thinking if not drawing the land, the tile could be half slope making it also not really slope aware, but at least slope compatible ;)

so i think that making the water overlap more to cover the "real canal" is the best (it s what Quast mentionned, and what i had in mind when starting them as newobjects)

And about matching graphics, i like a lot the one you use too... which set it comes from ? depending on the licence i could maybe have a try at doing matching graphics


Edit : Question to the experimented people with overlapping tile...should i go for overlaping the canal only from one side, because, if i understood well, the overlaping sprite has to comes in front and not from the back right ?

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am i right to think that in this case the sprite 0 don t need to be made overlap as it would glitch badly and make explode computers :mrgreen: ?

Edit, added the sprite 0 with overlap


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