[OTTD] Belgian Train Set ~ Development thread

[Nondidjos]

hey! been a while.

I've been working on some new sprites for the set, stay tuned for more.

[Nondidjos]

Here's the more or less finished AM 97 postal (the naming scheme varies a lot, not sure its actually named this way)

next it's desiro time then I'll re-use the groundwork I've made with the postal train to make the passenger version of it, both in dark red and the new gray livery

[Quast65]

Interesting!
Nice that you are working again on this set!

I did a quick Google search to see how the train looked in reallife, as I can see that you are having some trouble with fitting in the "90" in some views.
Apparently the "90"was only used for the first train in this livery, all others dont have the "90" and just have POST (Dutch) on one side and POSTE (French) on the other, with the stripes.
I think leaving out the "90" leaves you more room for POST and POSTE, especially in the diagonal views.


Also, but I am not very knowledgable regarding Belgian trains so I could be wrong, I think the type is APT AM54.

See this link for more info (in Dutch, but with loads of pictures), scroll down to the bottom for the AM54:
https://www.cooltrain.be/index.php/grot ... tel-apt-54

Hope this helps

EDIT:
Also the stripes should always be to the left of the P, no matter at what side you look at (looking at your drawings I believe you would sometimes get some combinations where the stripes are to the right of the "90" )

EDIT2:
Something that strikes me a bit odd is the number of windows on a side, they seem to change when the train changes view, so for one piece, on a horizontal view there are 3 windows visible and then on a diagonal view only 2 (same with other piece, horizontal 2 windows, diagonal 1 window).
I never have drawn trains, so I dont know if this is a thing that is done more often (as you have a little less room in the diagonal views to get in details), but I think this change in number of windows is kind of noticable

[Nondidjos]

Interesting!
Nice that you are working again on this set!

I did a quick Google search to see how the train looked in reallife, as I can see that you are having some trouble with fitting in the "90" in some views.
Apparently the "90"was only used for the first train in this livery, all others dont have the "90" and just have POST (Dutch) on one side and POSTE (French) on the other, with the stripes.
I think leaving out the "90" leaves you more room for POST and POSTE, especially in the diagonal views.


Also, but I am not very knowledgable regarding Belgian trains so I could be wrong, I think the type is APT AM54.

See this link for more info (in Dutch, but with loads of pictures), scroll down to the bottom for the AM54:
https://www.cooltrain.be/index.php/grot ... tel-apt-54

Hope this helps

EDIT:
Also the stripes should always be to the left of the P, no matter at what side you look at (looking at your drawings I believe you would sometimes get some combinations where the stripes are to the right of the "90" )

EDIT2:
Something that strikes me a bit odd is the number of windows on a side, they seem to change when the train changes view, so for one piece, on a horizontal view there are 3 windows visible and then on a diagonal view only 2 (same with other piece, horizontal 2 windows, diagonal 1 window).
I never have drawn trains, so I dont know if this is a thing that is done more often (as you have a little less room in the diagonal views to get in details), but I think this change in number of windows is kind of noticable

thanks a lot for all the advice!
I knew some of it but it kind of flew over my head and I didn't look for a solution enough before calling it a day.

I'll try to do all the different liveries possibly but yea, removing the 90 to add in a E seems like a good and quick fix.
I was also oh so wrong on that name, but i think it picked up multiple ones (possibly with each livery?) and they also have a different set of letters than AM in dutch so I'm also going to get a dutchie working on that

thanks again for all the feedback, its very much appreciated.

cheers!

[Gameinsky]

Hey, I started using this set but there's some weird things with the I11
The description states to use them in combination with the MU wagons, but this doesn't work unless there's a locomotive in front of it, while irl the locomotive can also be in the back. (Should maybe also specify that usually HLE locomotives are used for this)

[Nondidjos]

Hey, I started using this set but there's some weird things with the I11
The description states to use them in combination with the MU wagons, but this doesn't work unless there's a locomotive in front of it, while irl the locomotive can also be in the back. (Should maybe also specify that usually HLE locomotives are used for this)

hey,
yea it would seem as if it only fits normal wagons atm, I'll tell neko about it and ask him if he can do anything about it, the easiest fix would be to add the I11 as a normal coach as i originally planned it to be but we'll see as for it being unable to be up front i dont quite get where the issue resides for you,
thank you for testing out the set though, and the feedback especially

[NekoMaster]

I tried to make the I11 coach as an unpowered MU train but I dont think the game knows how to deal with that so maybe I'll try changing some stuff up to make it work. Perhaps I just need to make it more like a really low powered MU train for the game to allow attaching MU wagons as it should. The alternative is that maybe I could add the I11 DVT as a low powered locomotive that you can have at the head of a train for looks and could be flippable to place on the rear.

I would go for a more traditional route where the last wagon will always look like a driving van but I dunno how to do that stuff either. I'm kind of limited in my abilities to code at the moment.

[Gameinsky]

Ah yeah, I see. I was orginally very confused at the behaviour before realising that this wasn't a powered MU train. I did start thinking this was probably due to limitations. Maybe it should simply have a specific wagon rather than use the MU 'filler' so people can't put a powered MU to it.
Also yeah, liking the set despite it not offering a huge variety of trains, feels nice to dispatch the trusty AM96's that I saw so much in my childhood

[SirLudicrous]

Hey there, im a huge fan of this Set but I also have trouble using the I11 coaches :/

Are you still working on a fix?
I would totally agree with one of the previous comments to just turn them into regular coaches

PS: I also wanted to ask if the M6 Double Decker coaches will also come to this pack

[Quast65]

Not sure if this set is being actively maintained, but I believe it is the best place to donate some graphics

I have made NMBS-MS75:

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It is based on (a very very very heavily modified version of) the ED72 from the Polish PKP Trainset, made by Tadeusz Domagalski (GPLv2 licensed).
And I used parts (more specific the nose shapes) and the color-scheme of the NMBS-HLE11, made by Voyager One (GPLv2 licensed).
The code I used to get it in my game, was from the Polish PKP Trainset (GPLv2 licensed).
So thats the credits sorted

Here is a .rar with the graphics and (a part of) the code.

MS75.rar

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The code is probably not of great use to you, but it has the graphicsinformation (size, offsets, etc), that may be usefull

And here is a link to moving pictures of the actual train:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLPAwQsDJgs

[Silverx50]

Been gone for a while, and your making trains now?
Nice work on this one!

[Quast65]

Been gone for a while, and your making trains now?
Nice work on this one!

Hahaha!
Thanks, nice to see you around!

Well, it's been on my wishlist for a long long time, as it is the stoptrain from Belgium that goes to Roosendaal Station in The Netherlands and for me that station is not complete without that train making an appearance there once in a while
And one thing is very simple, of no-one else draws it, then draw it yourself!