[OTTD] BRHouses - Development Thread
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[OTTD] BRHouses - Development Thread
So myself and Silver are starting work on a BRHouses Set as a full British Town Replacement. There are no graphics at present, so for now just some links to what we hope to include.
Tudor House (Rare 1800-1900): 1, 2
Stuart House(Rare 1800-1900): 1
Georgian House (Infrequent 1800-1900):1, 2, 3
Victorian House (Frequent 1830-1900): 1, 2, 3
Edwardian House (Infrequent 1900 - 1920): 1, 2
1930s: 1, 2, 3
1950s: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
1960s-1970s: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
1990s Onwards: 1, 2,3, 4, 5
Supermarkets (Accept Food and Goods): Morrisons, Tesco, Asda, Safeway, Sainsburys
Tudor House (Rare 1800-1900): 1, 2
Stuart House(Rare 1800-1900): 1
Georgian House (Infrequent 1800-1900):1, 2, 3
Victorian House (Frequent 1830-1900): 1, 2, 3
Edwardian House (Infrequent 1900 - 1920): 1, 2
1930s: 1, 2, 3
1950s: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
1960s-1970s: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
1990s Onwards: 1, 2,3, 4, 5
Supermarkets (Accept Food and Goods): Morrisons, Tesco, Asda, Safeway, Sainsburys
Re: [OTTD] BRHouses - Development Thread
Why not make Tudor houses available from 1500 (the architecture historian in me would say keep it to 1530, but whatever)? Some people will start in 1700 or so, so you may as well allow some differentiation in Tudor/Elizabethan (yes, it is different from Tudor), Stuart and Georgian houses based on when in the pre-19th C one starts? If all of those periods introduce their first house in 1800 exactly, a game started in 1750 and in 0 will have the same abundance of the first houses from each of those eras. You could add a basic rural limestone hovel from year 0 which would look ok as the monoculture across the whole pre-Tudor period (assuming you do not want any roman buildings).
The take-away is: don't listen to architects who've studied British architectural history, they are just as bad as any rivet counters.
The take-away is: don't listen to architects who've studied British architectural history, they are just as bad as any rivet counters.
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Tbh i know the architectural periods but i set them to these dates as i really didnt think anyone started earlier than 1800
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Leifbk has some long running screenshot threads about horse drawn and sailing games, something like that could be cool set in Britain - remember Britain was one of the few places to be industrialized in the 1700s, and there was a lot of innovative development in roadways and canals in that time.
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Perhaps i should do two sets of dates by parameter to allow very early start games. What is the earliest year that the game allows you to start?
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Year 0. BCE is not possible at the moment as far as I know. no need really for parameters - If you are starting in 1700 or 1900 I don't see why it would matter if a Tudor home was available from 1500 or 1699 or 0. Rather, there isn't a case I can think of where you would explicitly need an old house to be available from 1800 not 1500.Leanden wrote:Perhaps i should do two sets of dates by parameter to allow very early start games. What is the earliest year that the game allows you to start?
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supermop wrote:Year 0. BCE is not possible at the moment as far as I know. no need really for parameters - If you are starting in 1700 or 1900 I don't see why it would matter if a Tudor home was available from 1500 or 1699 or 0. Rather, there isn't a case I can think of where you would explicitly need an old house to be available from 1800 not 1500.Leanden wrote:Perhaps i should do two sets of dates by parameter to allow very early start games. What is the earliest year that the game allows you to start?
I was more thinking of the fact that if you start a game in 1900, you wont see any of the tudor houses at all in game.
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That's a real concern, but the 'start' date doesn't have any effect on that. If a Tudor house is available from 1500-1900 but is very rare, it will still be prevalent in the 1500s (because nothing else is available, think of the theater in a 1800s game with default houses), but it will appear in small quantities at a 1900 game start, as a normal function of its rarity.Leanden wrote:supermop wrote:Year 0. BCE is not possible at the moment as far as I know. no need really for parameters - If you are starting in 1700 or 1900 I don't see why it would matter if a Tudor home was available from 1500 or 1699 or 0. Rather, there isn't a case I can think of where you would explicitly need an old house to be available from 1800 not 1500.Leanden wrote:Perhaps i should do two sets of dates by parameter to allow very early start games. What is the earliest year that the game allows you to start?
I was more thinking of the fact that if you start a game in 1900, you wont see any of the tudor houses at all in game.
Perhaps a more complex town set or map generator could go further by simulating some 'prehistory' before game start date, but as is, you can achieve the desired result without needing to have Tudor houses limited to 19th century only.
If you have all pre-20th century houses available from 1800, anyone starting in 0, 1500, or 1700 will end up with a mix of all of those periods, as the game will just use the earliest house for times earlier before the set 'starts'. So a game set in Chaucers's Canterbury will be full of Tudor, Stuart and Georgian houses in almost equal measure if they all start in 1800.
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To be honest, for what was a discussion about what buildings to include, we've got a little caught up on the dates.
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True, like I said, architecture history can be just as bad for rivet counting.
As for the types of pre-victorian houses shown, I think you have a good selection of inspiration buildings. You wont need much more from this period in the way of normal town and country houses, just a few will do, plus maybe the odd hall or manor home. For Tudor half timbered buildings like shown, these can stand in for earlier buildings as well, an are generic enough that I do not think you need more.
I will say that the Victorian and Edwardian homes look very southern England to me, take that as you will. There is actually a lot of regional variation in British vernacular architecture between about 1750 and 1920s, even in the humble terrace house. My last trip to the West country a few years ago had me dreaming of separate town sets for Somerset vs Devon! Up to you Britons to decide how generic or not you want this to be, but I feel like Yorkshire (or at least the parts I lived in) aren't totally represented yet. Maybe that's for the best - I don't know.
You may want to find some single family homes for the 60s and 70s - the large brutalist estates are cool but may prove difficult to fit into the way smaller towns and non-grid road layouts work. Think of stuff like the 'Home' house from Clockwork Orange if you want something that screams 60s Britain. There are also more mundane examples like the below: http://dc64ezchmmw7e.cloudfront.net/wp- ... -walls.jpg
As for the types of pre-victorian houses shown, I think you have a good selection of inspiration buildings. You wont need much more from this period in the way of normal town and country houses, just a few will do, plus maybe the odd hall or manor home. For Tudor half timbered buildings like shown, these can stand in for earlier buildings as well, an are generic enough that I do not think you need more.
I will say that the Victorian and Edwardian homes look very southern England to me, take that as you will. There is actually a lot of regional variation in British vernacular architecture between about 1750 and 1920s, even in the humble terrace house. My last trip to the West country a few years ago had me dreaming of separate town sets for Somerset vs Devon! Up to you Britons to decide how generic or not you want this to be, but I feel like Yorkshire (or at least the parts I lived in) aren't totally represented yet. Maybe that's for the best - I don't know.
You may want to find some single family homes for the 60s and 70s - the large brutalist estates are cool but may prove difficult to fit into the way smaller towns and non-grid road layouts work. Think of stuff like the 'Home' house from Clockwork Orange if you want something that screams 60s Britain. There are also more mundane examples like the below: http://dc64ezchmmw7e.cloudfront.net/wp- ... -walls.jpg
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They were bought out by Morrisons quite a few years ago now, but they were one of the main supermarket chains in the UK.The Growl wrote:Never heard of safeway before.
Re: [OTTD] BRHouses - Development Thread
On the dates again, for just a moment - just make them all date configurable, for a start and a finish.
TTRS has an option where houses can be built from very specific eras, or follow a timeline of eras, or all eras are mixed in .
Just something to keep in mind. I look forward to this set, it will definitely make building towns more fun.
TTRS has an option where houses can be built from very specific eras, or follow a timeline of eras, or all eras are mixed in .
Just something to keep in mind. I look forward to this set, it will definitely make building towns more fun.
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Re: [OTTD] BRHouses - Development Thread
Indeed, they were taken over 11/12 years ago, I just about remember the one that was in Chorlton from bus journey's when I was 5/6.Leanden wrote:They were bought out by Morrisons quite a few years ago now, but they were one of the main supermarket chains in the UK.The Growl wrote:Never heard of safeway before.
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I shopped at Safeway when living in San Diego, they're still going strong in the StatesPilot wrote:Indeed, they were taken over 11/12 years ago, I just about remember the one that was in Chorlton from bus journey's when I was 5/6.Leanden wrote:They were bought out by Morrisons quite a few years ago now, but they were one of the main supermarket chains in the UK.The Growl wrote:Never heard of safeway before.
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Chrill wrote:I shopped at Safeway when living in San Diego, they're still going strong in the StatesPilot wrote:Indeed, they were taken over 11/12 years ago, I just about remember the one that was in Chorlton from bus journey's when I was 5/6.Leanden wrote:
They were bought out by Morrisons quite a few years ago now, but they were one of the main supermarket chains in the UK.
In Australia too - but the brand is owned by different companies in different countries. In Aus. it is held by Woolworths, which bought the Australian rights to the name 'Woolworths' from the original American Woolworths, which has since renamed itself Footlocker - its most profitable subsidiary. Not to be confused with the South African Woolworths, which bought the rights to the Woolworths name in Africa at a different time. Safeway itself originated on the US west coast, but similarly licensed rights to its brand to various retailers in other markets, UK and Australia among them.
I mention all this as the specific branding imagery for big box chains is somewhat fluid not perhaps not all that beneficial to creating an atmosphere of 'Britishness' in a town set. I personally get very tired of seeing the same identical Ikea in every town over 1000 people with Swedish houses, but at least Ikea is stereotyped as being a cultural standard-bearer for Sweden as a whole in the global market - as much as I like Sainsbury's you just can't say the same about it. And certainly when asked, "what is evocative of a British town to you?" I doubt many would answer "Safeway!"... My suggestion is to draw a few generic supermarket buildings with CC accents on signs etc to provide vareity. The more specific you try to make it, the less likely it is to resonate - if for no reason than people thinking "my Morrison's doesn't look like that!" Unless the stores are paying you for the product placement don't waste time trying to make their specific signs look right at TT scale.
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There is, somewhere, a building which was a headquarters of a brickworks company near my mum's. I think kamnet trawled it up not too long ago. It was 1x1, perfect as a heritage style commercial building.
Someone that's not been here forever coded it, so feel free to use it if you can find it.
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Hm, I can't remember which one this might be, or where I might have posted about it.
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That was Andy - I think he was naming something in Road Hog or Iron Horse for it. Andy's always good for a unique ornate brick building.
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Well the supermarkets would either be industries or a 1 per town building, i havent decided yet.
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