Australian AuzTrains and NSWTrains

[GarryG]

AuzTrainsNSW_overhaul

Fixed a few alignment problems with the 600 class DMU and the T-Set EMU (Tangara)

Also add the Silver City Comet to the DMUs.

It started service in 1937 painted silver with the blue stripe. 1956 painted tuscan, 1982 painted what we called Candy and in 1987 for its 50th anniversary was converted back to the Silver until its retirement.

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When it retired it was replaced by a bus. The train traveled from Parkes, Condobolin, Euabalong West, Ivanhoe, Menindee and Broken Hill. The replacement bus started from Dubbo, Nyngane, Cobar, and to Broken Hill, the bus route was several 100 kms north of where the train travelled.

The sets are Power car, 2nd class, diner, and 2 1st class carriages. The Mail van on the back is separate this so you can carry Mail, Parcels and other cargoes on the train.

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Cheers all

[GarryG]

AuzTrainsNSW_overhaul

Reading in forum where about Invisible engine set ..
viewtopic.php?f=67&t=88934

Strange part a few weeks ago I made one to go with the AuzTrainsNSW_overhaul .. I been using it when testing carriage sets so I can see the end of the carriages where normal locos blocked that view.
The one I dis based on 72 class shunting engine.

As mentioned in the "Invisible engine set" be good to use for eye candy games where you can place carriages and freight wagons in sidings and they look like they have no loco attached.

It is in the AuzTrainsNSW_overhaul in post above and also previous page.

[gebik]

AuzTrainsNSW_overhaul

Reading in forum where about Invisible engine set ..
viewtopic.php?f=67&t=88934

Strange part a few weeks ago I made one to go with the AuzTrainsNSW_overhaul .. I been using it when testing carriage sets so I can see the end of the carriages where normal locos blocked that view.
The one I dis based on 72 class shunting engine.

As mentioned in the "Invisible engine set" be good to use for eye candy games where you can place carriages and freight wagons in sidings and they look like they have no loco attached.

It is in the AuzTrainsNSW_overhaul in post above and also previous page.

There is one in V4 set, where I got inspiration to make it independent for using with other sets. Code was used from some loco in my beginner set. "Graphics" were used also from my PC, because I have already made empty sprite for some set, which has not made it into public. Sorry, if you thought I am copying you, but I am not even playing with Auz trains, so I don't know about it. However a lot of people are playing with 2cc trains and other sets including CZTR, where is nothing like that, that is why I made it.

[GarryG]

There is one in V4 set, where I got inspiration to make it independent for using with other sets. Code was used from some loco in my beginner set. "Graphics" were used also from my PC, because I have already made empty sprite for some set, which has not made it into public. Sorry, if you thought I am copying you, but I am not even playing with Auz trains, so I don't know about it. However a lot of people are playing with 2cc trains and other sets including CZTR, where is nothing like that, that is why I made it.

I never thought you was copying me .. apologies if you thought that .. just funny how we think about something like that about same time. Have you ever heard they saying "talk of the devil" it when you talk about some one and unexpectedly meet them or read about it soon after.

I ended up changing the purchase cost of mine to 0 too as liked what you mentioned it fun for the candy players. You also got me thinking more about it .. wonder if a invisible wagon would would work as well. You would have the invisible loco, a few wagons, invisible wagon, then some more wagons. This will give it the effect of 2 sets or more sets of wagons on same track with a small gap between them.

Where I seen this in read is one of the stations I worked at when loading wool. 1 wagon would be at the high hump of the loading bay and after I finish loading it .. I would bar (move) it out the way, and then bar the next empty wagon to the high hump for loading. So some times I have some loaded wagons, a space, a empty wagon, being loaded, a space then some more empty wagons.

If MLG like this idea to your more then welcome to use it too. Your set being a stand alone set will suit the other train sets. Where if I include them they be part of my set.

What candy players think of that idea?

[gebik]

If MLG like this idea to your more then welcome to use it too. Your set being a stand alone set will suit the other train sets. Where if I include them they be part of my set.

Thanks for idea, I will incorporate a 1/8 invisible wagon to my set probably later today.

[Quast65]

wonder if a invisible wagon would would work as well. You would have the invisible loco, a few wagons, invisible wagon, then some more wagons. This will give it the effect of 2 sets or more sets of wagons on same track with a small gap between them.
What candy players think of that idea?

I think that is a very good idea!
It will save a lot of time for eyecandy players.

If MLG like this idea to your more then welcome to use it too. Your set being a stand alone set will suit the other train sets. Where if I include them they be part of my set.

Thanks for idea, I will incorporate a 1/8 invisible wagon to my set probably later today.

That would be cool!

[GarryG]

Invisible Loco and Wagons

I think that is a very good idea!
It will save a lot of time for eyecandy players.

Just made up 4 invisible wagons .. sizes 4 ,6, 7, and 8 in length.

Can see by this image I used the 4, 6 and a 8 as well as 1 invisible engine.

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Splitting the wagons be also good at warehouses and industries aligning with door ways or loading areas.

At many stations we never had the use of a shunting loco to move the wagons .. we barred them along using what they called a Truck Mule. Just place the point of the mules head between wheel and rail and pushed down on the handle .. could move a loaded wagon easily .

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For those using my other trains AusTrainsNSW .. would you like these invisible loco and wagons added to that set?

Thanks for idea, I will incorporate a 1/8 invisible wagon to my set probably later today.

Hope you able to make these wagons as well for those who don't use my AuzTrains.

Here the update to AuzTrainsNSW_overhaul so you can try.

[gebik]

Hope you able to make these wagons as well for those who don't use my AuzTrains.

Before a while I have released new version with invisible 1/8 wagon. It was actually more time changing readme, changelog and updating files everywhere than making that wagon.

[GarryG]

This might interest some of you .. a Garrett going coal tender first.
When these big steam locos depart Broadmeadow to do a job there was no where to turn them around. Only large turntable was Broadmeadow and Sydney. I believe there was also one Parkes and possibly Werris Creek, but not real sure. These locos had driver controls both ends of the cabin to make it easier for the driver to operate them. Not like other steam locos where the driver had to face backwards.

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So now you got choice Garretts facing forwards or backwards. Not sure at this stage if I will do any other steam like this.

[GarryG]

AuzTrainsOverStates

Are you interest in helping to make trains and railway stations for your State?

Don't go saying "I don't know how" ..

"Ragin1_" did not know how and he did many new graphics for the EMUS in AuzTrainsNSW_overhaul.

"fridaemon" told he not know how and now look at his work over at
viewtopic.php?f=26&t=87596

All the other coders and graphic members did not know how too at one time.

I did not know how as well but the members on these forums helped me get started.

If so let us know.

You can leave message here or PM me or Ragin1_

Cheers

[GarryG]

AuzTrainsNSW_overhaul

I been experimenting with the source from the Dutch Train set. They have a few extra lines added to their Purchase Menu .. so wondered maybe I could add some as well.
This is how they look so far:
The EMU and DMU sets:

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The Coach Sets

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They all have:

Service: Whether it Suburban, Express, Inter-State, Country.
Length: How many cars or coaches are in the set.
Can Add: For realism tells you what can still be added to the set .. based on how I seen these sets operate and information found on a website.
"Composition and Marshalling of NSWGR Country Trains"
http://locofonic.alphalink.com.au/nswgr_marshalling.htm
More: If Air-Conditioned or non-air.

I hope to change "More:" to "Consist:". For instance the Rub Set shown above would show
Consists: PHS, 3xSFS, OFS, ABS, SBS.

So ideas appreciated.

[GarryG]

AuzTrainsNSW_overhaul

Added Consist and Name (trains name) to the menu.

Menu will look something like this.

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Added 4 CUB Sets .. South Coast Daylight, Northern Commercial Limited (early days of the Newcastle Flyer), Caves Express and a set used on other country services.

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[GarryG]

Hi all, thought you might like update what we been doing.

All EMUs and DMUs have been done (I hope) .. no need to add middle cars to them any more.

All parcel and Mail vans did that I had in the AuzTrainsNSW original set with new codes. See if I can find some pre 1900s to add soon.

The following coach sets been done. CUB, HUB, NUB, NIB, NAB, RUB, BEB, BAB, BIB and LUB. Hope to finish the rest of the coaches in sets.

The following train sets been done: Spirit of Progress (standard guard), Southern Aurora, Indian Pacific, South Coast Daylight (CUB Set), Caves Express (CUB Set), Northern Limited Express (CUB Set). Hope to make up some mail Train combinations and other trains that had special names.

Added Invisible diesel loco (72 class), 4 invisible wagons and 1 invisible MHO. The loco and wagons for those who want to place some wagons in a siding and look like no engine attached and some wagons not joined.

The idea of the invisible MHO to be placed behind coach sets that have small guards vans each end. The MHO to represent the mail and parcels those guard ends would normally carry.

Many have extended information when you go to the purchase menu such as Service: (Suburban, express, country and others), Length: (how many cars/coaches), Can Add: (what other vehicles that can be added to this set). Consists: Coaches in the set), Name: (Train name).

When you purchase a set., go to refit and here you will have the option what colour schemes are available at that time.

Here the game file if like to test what been done. Comments appreciated.

[GarryG]

AuzTrainsNSW_overhaul

Train Colour Schemes

What is the difference between Tuscan red, Venetian red and Indian Red.

This what I read in a book I have. (Coaching Stock of the NSW Railways Volume 1 Page 303)

The basic ingredients of three NSW Railways colours, viz, purple brown, Indian red and Venetian red, was Indian red powder. Venetian red was the predominant colour for nearly 50 years. British standards list the colour as 'Venetian Red', but for some reason the American term 'Tuscan red was adopted for use in NSW. This may have been because from 1906 to 19210 'Tuscan' red powder was obtained from the United States of America. However, the American 'Tuscan' red is in fact Indian red in the British/Australian system. Hence when the colour was selected it acquired the name of its principal constituent the American Tuscan.

Does all that mean they all the same colour?

On Page 304 is tells that when Indian Red started to be used it could be sprayed on instead of hand painted.

It all seems like depending what country they brought the paint from to what it was called and also how it was recorded in the books.

But maybe someone might know for sure the answer?

Cheers

[kamnet]

I can't see how they can be confused for the same color. Here they are as they're historically listed in order by first use:

1642, Venetian Red: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetian_red or https://www.appsious.com/color/hex-c80815
1672, Indian Red: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_red_(color) or https://www.appsious.com/color/hex-cd5c5c
Early 1800s, Tuscan Red: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuscan_red or https://www.appsious.com/color/hex-7c3030

And here's what they look like, side-by-side:

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I think what your article is saying is that NSW mistakenly started referring to Indian Red as Tuscan Red because the paint base they used was obtained from the United States. Looking into the history of the colors, Venetian Red obtains its red color from nearly pure iron oxide found in hematite, which is naturally occurring in Mediterranean soils; Indian Red obtains its red color from a mixture of iron oxide and aluminum found in laterite, which is naturally occurring in tropical soils and was largely imported from India; Tuscan Red obtains its red color by taking Indian Red as a base and then mixing in a varnish made from synthetic alizarin (chemically derived from coal tar) in the late 1800s when Pennsylvania Railroad was using it. By the time NSW was using it, industrial usage omitted the Indian Red and substituted gypsum, then mixed with analine for its oxidization properties to give it a darker red color.

[GarryG]

I can't see how they can be confused for the same color. Here they are as they're historically listed in order by first use:

Much appreciated for the information Kamnet.

There are no colour photos in the book of the carriages and when I read that article the confused me even more.

A colour the railway used late 1800s they called it purple brown .. they say when look at it in shade looked brown and in sun looked plum.

Very confusing for me. Shall see what 8 bit colour I find to closely match these and get my paint brush out and fix up a few carriages.

Thanks again pal

[kamnet]

This book seems to be the definitive guide on the colors, but it's a bit spendy. https://arhsnsw.com.au/product/nsw-railways-in-colour/
This Facebook group may also be of help: https://www.facebook.com/groups/NSWRail ... ndPresent/

[GarryG]

This book seems to be the definitive guide on the colors, but it's a bit spendy.

It will have to wait till I can return to Australia .. I will visit ARHS and have a good look.

This Facebook group may also be of help

Joined them this morning. Shall ask some questions there once my membership is accepted.

Thanks pal

[GarryG]

AuzTrainsNSW_overhaul.

Using some ideas of the colour image kamnet uploaded, but I darkened them a bit so they not look new. Give them a older weathered look. Not intereset in a dirty look as those days ther ailways washed their trains regular.

These some carriages I did.

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Top train is a varnished/stain timber look.
2nd and 4th are brown.
The other 4 the red what I hope to use to represent both Venetian and Tuscan and photos I seen on internet of the 2 colours on carriages are almost look same and in some cases they do look same.

Train Colours

This colour palette what hope to use.

Left is for Venetian, Tuscan, russet and buff lining. Middle is Indian Red and right is the Candy colours.

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Need to add colours used when railways first started and late 1800s.

If you want to try what been done do far to this set.

Here the updated game file.

[mxnp]

I just had a look at the set and its looking awesome! The new old liveries are just great, and so are Ragin's drawings.

I was actually thinking that myself when I went to the shops earlier.
Once you can give it a go, I started only the other day and I think I'm doing pretty alright. It's just a fun way for me to do trains

I haven't found any time between my own uni work to contribute, so I won't interrupt you (not missing much tbh, your additions are spot-on haha). Hopefully I'll have some time to explore grf-making in the future (thanks for posting the tutorials Garry)

I had a quick look to see if I could find any bugs, and here's a list (some that you may already know of):

1. C-set: 'C_Set' minor typo.
2. H-set/OSCAR: This seems to be missing at the moment.
3. 2 car sets: Are these sets supposed to have driving carriages on both ends? At the moment it is a driving car with a trailer.
4. V-set: I wonder if the V-set (at least the older liveries) could look better with its gold tinted windows, and so it would be more distinguishable from the other tin cans (as its the same length).

I'm going to really miss the V-sets when they finally retire