Zeppelins and Other New Aircraft

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 08 Mar 2004 16:34

Look, it's very simple. A Zeppelin is a helicopter, flagged not to have any rotor blades. The game only gives us two choices: helicopter or plane. We don't want the Zeppelin to have to land on the runway and taxi like a plane, that would be silly. I imagine the Zeppelin will look bizarre on the big airport no matter what we do, but on the little airport or the heliport it won't look out of place. It would even be OK on an oil rig. Possibly, once it is possible to have different station graphics, we will rig it so the heliport shows up at the beginning of the game as a Zeppelin mooring mast, then later it changes into a normal heliport. It wouldn't stop you from skewering a helicopter on the mooring-mast graphic though, you'd just have to know not to do that.

Louie Armstrong · Post by **Louie Armstrong** » 08 Mar 2004 17:06

krtaylor wrote: It wouldn't stop you from skewering a helicopter on the mooring-mast graphic though, you'd just have to know not to do that.

unless thats ur sort of thing,

But as someone said the creators should wait till the new station graphics settings are complete then make a new set of graphics, i know this doesnt sort the other problems

Saskia · Post by **Saskia** » 08 Mar 2004 20:37

OK, krtaylor, you convinced me, an Zeppelin on an airport wouldn't look better

DanMacK · Post by **DanMacK** » 09 Mar 2004 03:51

Was surfing the net and came upon an excellent site for Zeppelin/Airship Info The Zeppelin Library Archive

Between the new US trains, potential new trucks and these, we'll be able to run a vintage transportation network

EDIT: Just found an excellent site linked off the previous site => here It contains techincal info on masts.

My latest fave map is one with the eastern coast of North America and the Atlantic Ocean as well as Europe. Now all we need is a passenger liner for 1920

rogiercreemers · Post by **rogiercreemers** » 10 Mar 2004 12:33

maybe someone could do the Titanic?

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 10 Mar 2004 13:16

Yes but where are you going to find 2500 passengers in 1920?

Saskia · Post by **Saskia** » 10 Mar 2004 14:02

You don't need to, just get as many as would survive the Titanic

rogiercreemers · Post by **rogiercreemers** » 10 Mar 2004 15:01

Or you could take the capacity of the lifeboats as norm...

Endre · Post by **Endre** » 10 Mar 2004 15:13

My great-grandfather was a surviver of the Titanic...

But he actually missed the ship, which is better luck...The train was late, and thus he didn't arrive to Southampton or wherever the Titanic started...

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 10 Mar 2004 17:26

And ever since, the British railways have carried on that proud tradition...

Born Acorn · Post by **Born Acorn** » 10 Mar 2004 17:33

ah, ah ah

back then it was the era of the 'big five' and each company had a reputation to keep, so they made sure trains were more likely to be on time, unlike today, where less people use trains and so a late train or 300 won't matter to the different companies

blackfour · Post by **blackfour** » 11 Mar 2004 22:38

I'm gonna be annoying and pedantic now...when Titanic sailed in 1912 it was 11 years before the 'Big Four' came into being...the company that ran trains from London to Southampton was the London and South Western Railway, one of over one hundred railway companies in Britain at the time...just thought you'd like to know that...

Blackfour

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 11 Mar 2004 23:04

OK, back to the planes. How are the Zeppelins coming along? And furthermore, shall we make this topic a discussion of the whole new planeset? What I'd like to do is to have ONE and ONLY ONE comprehensive planeset, including Dinges' repaints, correct names for all original aircraft, Zeppelins, and whatever else new we want to do. Since all the aircraft used all over the world are pretty much the same, it makes sense to have just one set, although maybe someday there will be a second set covering the Soviet/Eastern Bloc aircraft (Antonovs, Tupolevs and things.)

mnorman · Post by **mnorman** » 11 Mar 2004 23:07

Born Acorn: this might suprise you but more people use the railways now than used it in the days of the big four, and there are less events which cause late trains. Unfortunately because some parts of the system have so many more trains on them than they used to, and trains no longer spend most of their time sitting around, instead of one problem causing one train to be late, these days there is a domino effect, as each train causes others to be late, and due to the retimetabling involved the trains have to wait to get space on the main line and get later and later, with nothing catching up again until there is a slack period, such as the middle of the night for most companies, or next Sunday for Virgin (which, apart from the fact the BR didn't invest properly in the WCML after around 1960, is the main reason Virgin built up such a bad reputation)

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 11 Mar 2004 23:33

mnorman wrote:Born Acorn: this might suprise you but more people use the railways now than used it in the days of the big four

Well, there ARE more people around. As a percentage it's gone down I bet.

Post by **uzurpator** » 12 Mar 2004 01:48

krtaylor wrote:
Well, there ARE more people around. As a percentage it's gone down I bet.

America =/= world mind you. Globally rail still carries FAR more passangers then cars and airplaines combined. And with an advent of HSR railroads are regularly putting local airlines out of business

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 12 Mar 2004 02:16

uzurpator wrote:
krtaylor wrote:
Well, there ARE more people around. As a percentage it's gone down I bet.
America =/= world mind you. Globally rail still carries FAR more passangers then cars and airplaines combined. And with an advent of HSR railroads are regularly putting local airlines out of business

I don't think you read my post carefully. It's obvious that the percentage of traffic that the railways have, has gone down since the days of the Titanic. In those days only the very very rich had cars; now most everyone does. There weren't any commercial planes at all.

I am not aware of HSR actually putting any airlines out of business, although it's true that the Acela has caused a great deal of harm to the Shuttle, which flies between Boston/New York/Washington. It used to be two competing hourly services, with 757s or Airbusses; now it is two semi-hourly services, with 737s or RJs.

But, can we get back to the Zeppelins? How are they doing?

CZAR ALEKSANDER · Post by **CZAR ALEKSANDER** » 19 Mar 2004 07:19

hello

I think a zeppelin during the 1920's up to 1944 which it would be nice to see one in the game .I have inclosed a picture of one which I came across I think this is what a zeppelin looks like. it is a zeepelin and it is r100 from 1930 and it has a steel frame

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 19 Mar 2004 15:37

Yes, that's what we want, if someone would draw it. There's been some work on them but it doesn't seem to have got very far yet. I haven't really pushed this project too hard, there are other projects I have to get finished first.

Born Acorn · Post by **Born Acorn** » 19 Mar 2004 16:06

I think thats more of a blimp, since zepplins are more thinner and longer.

and thats transport giant blimp!

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