[OTTD] UKRS2 - Latest version 1.05 (02/01/2013)

[TheGrew]

Hi Pikka, if you did decide to do a re-code could you alter the A train to behave more like a Class 800 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_800
Would love to see a Pacer too and/or even a D train.

This is still my favorite set though I appreciate why you ceased development on this and NARS.

[SquireJames]

While we are on the subject of things to be added (to this finished set, no longer supported by the dev ), i'd like to see that Vossloh G1206 from the old UKRS added, as it makes a useful upgrade to the EE Type 1/Class 20, and of course the completion and addition of the various GWR express locos i've seen mentioned on the wiki would be laaaaverly.

[FLHerne]

73/9* instead? Real, modern light-medium diesel, and the sprites for the standard 73 already exist.

*Heavily re-engineered class 73 with 1500hp on diesel as well as DC electric.

And yes, GWR mainline locos! I have so many GWR branches, but nothing for them to branch off from appropriately. 47xx express freight 2-8-0s would be particularly nice, there's a bit of a gap between the 8F (slow) and Mogul or later Jubilee (low TE).

(Yes, I know requesting more stuff, at least outside of third-party addons, is perhaps futile by now).

[SquireJames]

That could work nicely yes

GWR wise, a City, a Hall, a King and a 47xx would be handy. (Ooh! a 30xx would be nice too, and we could have it in ROD livery for the 1st World War...)

[Dave]

73/9* instead? Real, modern light-medium diesel, and the sprites for the standard 73 already exist.

*Heavily re-engineered class 73 with 1500hp on diesel as well as DC electric.

Yep. They're going to be fitted with Voyager engines!

[NekoMaster]

73/9* instead? Real, modern light-medium diesel, and the sprites for the standard 73 already exist.

*Heavily re-engineered class 73 with 1500hp on diesel as well as DC electric.

Yep. They're going to be fitted with Voyager engines!

Huh? Are they really going to try fitting Class 220/221 engines into a 1970's Electro-Diesel? I wonder how that will go, does that mean the 73's will be able to run faster or pull more? Also how will that effect its 3rd rail performance?

[Dave]

It won't affect it, from what I've read. The 73/9s will be totally rebuilt so will probably not resemble much about the original 73s internally. And yes, they are using a pair of Cummins QSK19s in each loco, which will give them 1,500hp (up from the 600hp they have now)

HOWEVER, these are just the Network Rail models. The GBRf examples are getting a 1,600hp MTU engine.

They'll also look different - getting the modern light clusters and moving the jumper cables in.

Not sure if this is happening for the Caledonian Sleeper models - since GBRf are providing them I'd say it's likely.

(This isn't really on topic though, sorry Pikka)

[FLHerne]

Not sure if this is happening for the Caledonian Sleeper models - since GBRf are providing them I'd say it's likely.

They are. First GBRF batch with MTUs (73961-965) are already done and in service, the sleeper batch will be done next and have a higher ETS rating. First two of the Cummins ones (73951/952) have also been finished, I think it's 952 that's being tested on the SVR currently. These two have lost all of their front clutter and look very strange indeed!

On both versions, DC power will be unchanged, the new engines will bring the power on diesel up to match that.

[Redirect Left]

So if Pikka has indeed stopped development on this + its extension. Would he be against someone else picking it up, adding to it, correcting any issues or updating values per public demand (as long as they're not ridiculous naturally)? Such a fantastic set, I'd hate to see it be confined to history.

[lawton27]

So if Pikka has indeed stopped development on this + its extension. Would he be against someone else picking it up, adding to it, correcting any issues or updating values per public demand (as long as they're not ridiculous naturally)? Such a fantastic set, I'd hate to see it be confined to history.

Pikka has thrown some hints in the add-on set topic that he might yet extend the add-on. My advice would be to get drawing

[OllyG]

Hello,

Apologies if this is answered elsewhere in the forums, or if I have put this in the wrong place.

Firstly, I've really been enjoying UKRS2: I love the historic accuracy and the changing liveries.

I have noticed an issue in relation to NuTracks (current release) and UKRS2.

Both the Eurostar and the Hitachi A-train have differential speeds based on whether running on 3rd rail or catenary: 100mph only on 3rd rail, 186mph / 155mph on catenary.

With NuTracks, unfortunately, both trains are restricted to 100mph, even when run on very high speed catenary, which I have set to enable 186mph.

Presumably this is an issue with how NuTracks and UKRS2 interact: UKRS2 (and the add-on set) think that all the NuTrack infrastructure is 3rd rail?



On a different note, my thoughts on what additional vehicles could further enhance the playability (and historical accuracy) of UKRS2 are as follows:

* It would be great to have a faster electric locomotive / train, ahead of the APT. I was thinking of Class 87, at 110mph (using the high-speed Mark III coaches which are available from roughly that time), from 1974?

* Also, a faster EMU would be good, before the Class 321, something like 100mph Class 317, from 1981ish?


Finally, a couple of very small things. Unlike the original UKRS, Driving Van Trailers (DVTs) do not appear from the late 1980s when Class 86 or Class 90 locomotives are used for passenger services (DVTs do of course appear for Class 91s): this would be a nice feature to have, along with the option to use a DVT with other locomotives from that and the current era, like the Class 67.


Whilst I love the changing and accurate liveries, what would also be nice would be a feature to "freeze" the livery changes in about 1994, so as to be able to keep playing with what for me was the finest period for British train liveries: Intercity, Network Southeast and Regional Railways etc. A lot of the privatisation ones look very silly in my view!


Thanks again for all the work done on this set and its add-on, as well as OTTD generally: it is truly a great game.

Olly.

[PikkaBird]

Hello Olly,

Checking the code, these are the labels the A-Train recognises as having overhead lines and which should give it it's higher top speed:

ELRL, 3RDC, CLOW, CMED, ELOW, EMED, EHIG, HSTR, DBNE, DBHE, DBHS

As far as I'm aware, these are the labels that NuTracks used at the time that UKRS2 was released. If it's not behaving properly now, I don't know why.

[Sylf]

ELRL, 3RDC, CLOW, CMED, ELOW, EMED, EHIG, HSTR, DBNE, DBHE, DBHS

NuTracks 2 doesn't use any of those labels except for ELRL (Low Speed Track with Catenary).

[Eddi]

you might want to reverse that check to search for 3rd rail types, and lower the speed on those. but probably needs a check for "railtype is powered on ELRL" check to ever work reliably (and future proof).

[Transportman]

ELRL, 3RDC, CLOW, CMED, ELOW, EMED, EHIG, HSTR, DBNE, DBHE, DBHS

NuTracks 2 doesn't use any of those labels except for ELRL (Low Speed Track with Catenary).

NuTracks 2 changed labels to the Standardized Railtype Scheme.

[PikkaBird]

NuTracks 2 changed labels to the Standardized Railtype Scheme.

That'd be the problem, then. No plans to fix this at the current time, I'm afraid.

[OllyG]

Not to worry. The game I was playing got to 1881, and I was able to "bodge" my newGRF set up to replace NuTracks with finescale tracks without screwing the game up...

[BW89]

Hello!
I found UKRS2 but its incompatible to Early rails.
I've seen a Vidio where are the sets used in same NewGRF configuration

[kamnet]

NewGRFs are typically neither compatible nor incompatible with each other. As you've seen form my video, it's possible to have both. Exactly what issue are you running into?

[BW89]

I get the Error:
A Fatal NewGRF error has occured:
Attempt to use invalid ID (sprite 9)