[OTTD] FISH....FISH FISH FISH FISH (work in progress)

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Re: [OTTD] FISH....FISH FISH FISH FISH (work in progress)

Post by colossal404 » 03 Dec 2009 19:50

Hi
I find a glitch or something...
Grey lines are under the Trader. What are these lines there?
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And another thing, it's really a small glitch :wink:
Flashing red pixels on the front of the Trader.
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Re: [OTTD] FISH....FISH FISH FISH FISH (work in progress)

Post by andythenorth » 04 Dec 2009 12:08

colossal404 wrote:Grey lines are under the Trader. What are these lines there?
They are anti-aliasing so the ship sits on the water better ;) Most of the ships have some of it, but maybe I added too much of it to the Trader. Normally it's just bow and stern as in this coaster. I might amend the Trader in a future release.
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Flashing red pixels on the front of the Trader.
Yep, I've seen those too. I got unlucky on a palette conversion :shock: I'll fix those.

thanks for the feedback, always appreciated.

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Re: [OTTD] FISH....FISH FISH FISH FISH (work in progress)

Post by andythenorth » 04 Dec 2009 20:41

colossal404 wrote:I find a glitch or something...
Grey lines are under the Trader. What are these lines there?
...Flashing red pixels on the front of the Trader.
Both now fixed ;) They'll be in r197. When the nightly server has caught up, you'll be able to find that here:
http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/fish/nightlies/

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Re: [OTTD] FISH....FISH FISH FISH FISH (work in progress)

Post by colossal404 » 06 Dec 2009 12:44

I tried the r201, and the small Trader is sooo cool! :D
Thanks for the fixes, and keep up the good work!
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Re: [OTTD] FISH....FISH FISH FISH FISH (work in progress)

Post by andythenorth » 06 Dec 2009 13:23

colossal404 wrote:I tried the r201, and the small Trader is sooo cool!
Thanks :) To me it's just another ship, but you and Pikka seem to really like it! What's so special about it? :o

Meanwhile, here's a Small Vehicle Ferry I'm working on. Something like 240 passenger capacity...
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Re: [OTTD] FISH....FISH FISH FISH FISH (work in progress)

Post by colossal404 » 06 Dec 2009 14:25

andythenorth wrote: To me it's just another ship, but you and Pikka seem to really like it! What's so special about it? :o
I don't know why I like that ship, it's just a small boat :)
It's just need the bow and stern waves and it will be perfect.

About that new car ferry:
Cars will appear on the deck when it's loaded?
If it can be refitted to any cargo, I have an idea how to show the cargo. Maybe trucks can be placed on it, and the truck's load show the ship's load. :roll:

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Re: [OTTD] FISH....FISH FISH FISH FISH (work in progress)

Post by Chrill » 06 Dec 2009 14:38

Your suggestion makes perfect sense, colossal. Then again, it's a passenger ferry for cars. Therefore, it will probably only feature vehicles such as cars and buses?? Your idea for it to transport trucks with cargo is brilliant, however :)
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Re: [OTTD] FISH....FISH FISH FISH FISH (work in progress)

Post by colossal404 » 06 Dec 2009 16:55

Thanks. I aggree with You, if the load is passengers, buses and cars can be parked on the ship.
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Re: [OTTD] FISH....FISH FISH FISH FISH (work in progress)

Post by colossal404 » 06 Dec 2009 20:43

Looks good!

So I thought it when it's loaded with oil or coal:
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Re: [OTTD] FISH....FISH FISH FISH FISH (work in progress)

Post by andythenorth » 06 Dec 2009 21:07

colossal404 wrote:So I thought it when it's loaded with oil or coal
That's nice :)

I'm not doing *any* cargo sprites until I've finished all the ships. I think players would prefer more ships to better eye candy, and cargo graphics also means more code to write ;)

But I will add the trucks sometime (using eGRVTS, which is GPL).

I'm about to release the Small Vehicle Ferry in the FISH release thread (EDIT: done).

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Re: [OTTD] FISH....FISH FISH FISH FISH (work in progress)

Post by Railwaymodeler » 07 Dec 2009 02:32

I have a suggestion, something probably never done in TTD before:

How about a car ferry? Not automobile car, but railroad car.

Places like New York and San Francisco, had car ferries to get freight cars from one side of the water to the other.

This could be a refittable ship to any cargo, with (for now) default TTD cars for loaded.

Would be very, very interesting for where trains transfer cargo to ships, especially in conjunction with the classification yards offered in the Industrial Station set.
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Re: [OTTD] FISH....FISH FISH FISH FISH (work in progress)

Post by petert » 07 Dec 2009 02:41

That would not work because you would be adding another cargo, and this is only a vehicle GRF.

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Re: [OTTD] FISH....FISH FISH FISH FISH (work in progress)

Post by Railwaymodeler » 07 Dec 2009 02:50

I don't really see why not - the trains would not really run on the ship.

Let's say the car ferry is refitted to grain. Well, when full the ship shows TTD grain hoppers on board. Fit it to goods, and TTD boxcars are on board. Again, the ships carry cargo, but the graphics are different depending what cargo is carried.

Since these car ferries are basically a tugboat with a flat barge with rails, it would actually be probably easy to draw. I might give it a shot, even.
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Re: [OTTD] FISH....FISH FISH FISH FISH (work in progress)

Post by petert » 07 Dec 2009 03:03

Ah, so they aren't actual cars, just car drawings?

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Re: [OTTD] FISH....FISH FISH FISH FISH (work in progress)

Post by Railwaymodeler » 07 Dec 2009 03:26

That is the idea, it gives the impression of a set of cars being ferried across a body of water.

Problem though, is train set implementation. Wonder if it is possible, for the FISH set to 'read' a train set, and copy the correct cargo (as a railcar) onto the deck of the ferry. Say I have NARS loaded for a trainset and I want to ferry goods. Would it be possible for FISH to find the sprites for boxcars or flatcars (random goods carrying cars, maybe) and use them?

I got a feeling though, that I am thinking pie in the sky.
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Re: [OTTD] FISH....FISH FISH FISH FISH (work in progress)

Post by PikkaBird » 07 Dec 2009 03:35

Railwaymodeler wrote:I got a feeling though, that I am thinking pie in the sky.
Mmhm. :)

I wonder if we're going to get catamarans and hovercraft? ;)

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Re: [OTTD] FISH....FISH FISH FISH FISH (work in progress)

Post by andythenorth » 07 Dec 2009 10:41

PikkaBird wrote:I wonder if we're going to get catamarans and hovercraft? ;)
Probably yes; maybe not soon:) Also...hydrofoils, which will need some foxy speed-detecting code and rather a lot sprites due to the cool way in which hydrofoils work.
Railwaymodeler wrote:Problem though, is train set implementation.
If FISH contained sprites from all the major train sets (with agreement from the authors), it would be possible to detect train newgrfs and change the sprites accordingly.

I am not going to do that though :) There are already about 8 sets of sprites needed per ship, adding cargo support would mean about 64 sprites per ship, doing trainset support would mean perhaps 320 sprites per ship.

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Re: [OTTD] FISH....FISH FISH FISH FISH (work in progress)

Post by AndersI » 07 Dec 2009 12:06

andythenorth wrote:If FISH contained sprites from all the major train sets (with agreement from the authors), it would be possible to detect train newgrfs and change the sprites accordingly.

I am not going to do that though :)
Perhaps you could create a template NFO, which train set authors could use to produce a 'companion GRF' with suitably loaded ferries? 'Just' adding sprites. I'm still not sure it's worth the work, but it might at least be manageable that way.

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