[OTTD] 2cc TrainSet - The Trains of the world in 2cc

[Voyager One]

2009? Pre-VoyagerOne time... I didn't know about those.

[Purno]

Good to see this set is still being worked on even years after I made my last contribution

Earlier in this topic there was a discussion about adding ER2 & ER200 to the set (http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php? ... 60#p815878) and there even was a contribution of the sprites. Looking at the last version I don't see those trains in there. Can someone from the authors comment on that, if possible?

I don't know of any sprites for these, otherwise I would likely have added them.

Assuming you talk about this post?

Well, for one, DJ asked them to be placed in a template, which may be a reason why they weren't included so far.

Another problem is that these sprites include non-CC colors, mainly the red pantographs and yellow front of the ER2T, which contradicts the drawing style in the 2ccSet.

[Voyager One]

Hmmm... so those just need some recoloring... that can be easily done...

[Purno]

Hmmm... so those just need some recoloring... that can be easily done...

And templating

As far as I can see, those were the only two objections we had in the time, which probably lead to those sprites never being used.

We probably need to update the credits too if we include these sprites

[aantono]

Thank you guys for looking into this. Even though I was not the one who suggested those to be included, but I would REALLY love to see them in the set, as they are both great EMU trains. Wish I could help out, but I know absolutely nothing about making sprites and what it means to "put them in a template"

[Voyager One]

Means putting sprites into correct places in those blue boxes...

[aantono]

Means putting sprites into correct places in those blue boxes...

Something tells me it is easier said than done.

[Voyager One]

Actually it's extremely easy. You just need to know what kind of "blue box" template you need to use. Unfortunately, many developers use many different templates...

[Purno]

Means putting sprites into correct places in those blue boxes...

Something tells me it is easier said than done.

Nopes. The main problem is this task being too easy, offering no challenge at all. Along with the quantity of sprites that usually need to be templated, this is a boring and tedious task if one needs to template several trains.

[Transportman]

Means putting sprites into correct places in those blue boxes...

Something tells me it is easier said than done.

It's not that difficult, I did that for the Dutch Trainset for a number of trains, but it is as Purno describes a very repetitive task if you need to do a lot of trains, making it easy to make small errors like switching sprites or misaligning them by some pixels.

[Purno]

More notably, because this is such a tedious task, it's always hard to find a volunteer to do it.

[malinkiii]

Hi there,

I'm kind of new to OpenTTD, but I've noticed that on Metro trains, when I purchase carriages I cannot rotate them, so it's basically two front facing carriages together with open backs, when it should be one facing forward, and another facing backwards.

If you understand what I'm talking about, please help!

I've attached a picture of my two 1938 stock carriages for you to view. See, it's just an open back, both of the carriages are front-facing?

Thanks in advance, if you can help me!

[Twyster]

Hi there,

I'm kind of new to OpenTTD, but I've noticed that on Metro trains, when I purchase carriages I cannot rotate them, so it's basically two front facing carriages together with open backs, when it should be one facing forward, and another facing backwards.

If you understand what I'm talking about, please help!

I've attached a picture of my two 1938 stock carriages for you to view. See, it's just an open back, both of the carriages are front-facing?

Thanks in advance, if you can help me!

Not really familiar with the metro vehicles, but that's probably a bug.

[Purno]

Like I said in your other topic, does this happen to all metro vehicles or just this particular one?

[Emperor Jake]

I think this is due to a coding bug in DJ's code. I could fix it, but I'd have to figure out the existing code or rewrite the metros entirely. The best solution would be for me to write new code for all the metros and having them in a separate NewGRF like the wagons. Unfortunately I currently do not have time for this.

[Purno]

IThe best solution would be for me to write new code for all the metros and having them in a separate NewGRF like the wagons.

How would that work? I mean, the wagons in the wagon set aren't included in the main set, are they? So that's an addition.

But the metros are in the main set. Adding a separate GRF to it would give duplicate results in the depot list, wouldn't it?



I'm beginning to wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea to recode the whole set, either in one GRF or split up in smaller GRFs...

[Voyager One]

I'm beginning to wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea to recode the whole set, either in one GRF or split up in smaller GRFs...

+1 vote for that.

[Purno]

I'm beginning to wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea to recode the whole set, either in one GRF or split up in smaller GRFs...

+1 vote for that.

Thanks for the vote, but in the end it's up to the coder, as we kinda depend on him

But so far, I'm not convinced making a seperate GRF with the metro vehicles, is a good idea. I fear it'll only give more confusion and create a mess of 2cc GRFs. And the bug that has been discovered and let to this discussion isn't really big enough to make these kinds of actions. AFAICT, it hasn't even be confirmed the bug is in the 2ccSet GRF. The person who reported this bug hasn't visited the forums after he posted his question, and thus doesn't seem to be available to answer any questions we may have. Perhaps someone could try to reproduce the bug? Just to confirm it's actually in the 2ccSet GRF before we take further action

[Voyager One]

but in the end it's up to the coder

... therefore the "not-so-happy" smiley...

Ultimately, Jake (or any other coder) will have to choose a lesser evil...

[Purno]

Ultimately, Jake (or any other coder) will have to choose a lesser evil...

Or a greater evil...