FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Development

[andythenorth]

My newgrf brings back powerplants, utilising standard openttd tiles, but now it went into 'terror mode' and ask for explosives instead of coal.

Exploding power plants are a feature

It's this issue viewtopic.php?p=1166863#p1166863
Also viewtopic.php?p=1166828#p1166828

I'm planning to add a check to disable FIRS if Preindustrial Houses is used.

We could figure out if there's a way to solve it, but I can't think of one. The starting point is to implement own tiles for the power plant, not using the TTD tiles. That's easy. But what to do if there's no coal cargo in the economy? More challenging

[Wahazar]

No need to disable FIRS, there are option in Preindustrial Era Houses both to disable powerplants (by setting intro year to 0) or to disable coal delivery to houses.
I was wondering, if there is possible to fix coal id in FIRS, as it is done for food, pass, mail, but if is an issue due to lack of coal in other economy settings, forget it.
I will try to change tiles in my grf.

BTW, SteelTown is very impressive, but it should be named StalinTown - this economy eats own tail, like communistic one. I mean, "produce more steel to produce more steel", there is no benefits for consumers.
May I suggest add wood vector and factory, which produce goods from wood and steel?

[andythenorth]

if is an issue due to lack of coal in other economy settings, forget it.

Yes, that is the problem

I will try to change tiles in my grf.

BTW, SteelTown is very impressive, but it should be named StalinTown - this economy eats own tail, like communistic one. I mean, "produce more steel to produce more steel", there is no benefits for consumers.

You, V453000, and a 7 year old have all now spotted this problem. As soon as all of steel chain is connected, game fun is basically over
Suggestions so far:
- more consumers for steel, maybe steel -> goods chain
- deliver vehicles to town?
- don't deliver vehicles to supply yard? (can deliver cement instead, is no problem), breaks 1 part of the steel->more steel loop
- other ideas?

The goal is to focus on the steel chain, so I don't want a full economy, but the gameplay comes to an abrupt end now. Connect the chain, gung-ho everything, FIN.

[supermop]

I'd agree with the vehicles to consumers logic - was more or less how a capitalist layman would have understood the western and east Asian economies from 1900-2000 (a strong economy is one that produces millions of cars, and where every family buys a new car, then two new cars, etc...). Steeltown to me seems like a good fit for early to mid 20th century northern US, as well as maybe 60s-70s Japan or even western Europe...

[Wahazar]

- more consumers for steel, maybe steel -> goods chain
- deliver vehicles to town?

1. obligatory, goods are usually the only cargo needed for town growth (if no game script is active)
2. obviously, BTW I'm using my ECSext newgrf for such purpose (workshop, car dealer and petrol station nicely close some FIRS SteelTown chains)

PS. slag grinding facility should also accept limestone or quicklime - both cement and fertilisers need such ingredients.

[andythenorth]

FIRS 3 Alpha 10 released . Now on Bananas.

Not savegame compatible with previous FIRS versions.

- updated translations, thanks translators
- remove 'express' cargo class from Vehicle Parts cargo
- swap Metal cargo to Steel in Temperate Basic (functions same, name changed)

[Wahazar]

Did you fixed this slag grinding glitch?

[NekoMaster]

FIRS 3 Alpha 10 released . Now on Bananas.

Not savegame compatible with previous FIRS versions.

- updated translations, thanks translators
- remove 'express' cargo class from Vehicle Parts cargo
- swap Metal cargo to Steel in Temperate Basic (functions same, name changed)

Drunk thought - What if you changed metal to vibranium (like whats used in Capt Americas shield)

[andythenorth]

Did you fixed this slag grinding glitch?

What's the glitch?

[Wahazar]

Did you fixed this slag grinding glitch?

What's the glitch?

White strips and texture mess when build on snow, see ticket on openttd dev.

[Nondidjos]

Hi!
I was wondering if you needed a french translator, I think I could help if so, sorry if it already got mentionned, didnt have the time to read through the 200 pages of messages

Thanks!

[leifbk]

Hi!
I was wondering if you needed a french translator, I think I could help if so, sorry if it already got mentionned, didnt have the time to read through the 200 pages of messages

Thanks!

The state of translations and translators is not usually registered in this thread. You can see the status of translations here. Obviously, the French translation is lagging a bit behind. It's rather common to have several translators per language, so if you feel up to the task, by all means register

On the top bar of the project overview page, you should see the "Register" button. Press it, fill in your data, and wait for a confirmation.

[Nondidjos]

Hi!
I was wondering if you needed a french translator, I think I could help if so, sorry if it already got mentionned, didnt have the time to read through the 200 pages of messages

Thanks!

The state of translations and translators is not usually registered in this thread. You can see the status of translations here. Obviously, the French translation is lagging a bit behind. It's rather common to have several translators per language, so if you feel up to the task, by all means register

On the top bar of the project overview page, you should see the "Register" button. Press it, fill in your data, and wait for a confirmation.

Thanks!

[Wahazar]

I don't understand, what for is METL introduced, instead of STEL renamed to metal, as it was used previously.
Almost every vehicle set need now to mess with "new" cargo.

EDIT: shouldn't chlorine have CC_HAZARDOUS class? I propose also to add such class also to chemicals. It would be helpful to distinguish between different tank cars/vehicles.

[andythenorth]

I don't understand, what for is METL introduced, instead of STEL renamed to metal, as it was used previously.
Almost every vehicle set need now to mess with "new" cargo.

Steel is steel, metal is metal. The compile can't have two cargos with same label, it's just the way the implementation works.

The 'cargo reuses existing label with different name' idea seemed good around 2008, but turns out to be bad, it's nice to eliminate it.

Vehicle sets will keep up

EDIT: shouldn't chlorine have CC_HAZARDOUS class? I propose also to add such class also to chemicals. It would be helpful to distinguish between different tank cars/vehicles.

I'll add that now. It's on the acid cargo already. Out of interest, how is it used by the vehicles?

[ISA]

My newgrf brings back powerplants, utilising standard openttd tiles, but now it went into 'terror mode' and ask for explosives instead of coal.

Exploding power plants are a feature

My plants gone green instead... any ideas

Edit: Oh I found something. Nvm me now...
Edit2: picture three. Trading post has some diagonal lines and they are blinking red.

[TadeuszD]

Steel is steel, metal is metal. [...]
Vehicle sets will keep up

Soory, but I don't understand your arguments. IIRC, the steel (STEL) worked properly in earlier FIRS version (I tested on 2.1.5). Am I right? Almost all vehicle sets have programmed cargo STEL. Now you break compatibility... Why? Because of compiler warning?

Fortunatelly, I can update my vehicle set. But it will be stupid work. I should map back METL to STEEL to correct your mess...
Many sets will not be updated at all....

[stefino_cz]

Hmm, interesting. We are trying to add all cargos at our vehicles sets. In this case aour sets will be still compatible without any changes. I'm only afraid the moment when we will start to redrawing FIRS into 32bpp extrazoom. Because I saw that graphics in FIRS has some changes during its develop so it will be quite hard to make it. If I redraw version XXX and second verison wlll have another/new sprites. So another classic "no HD" sprites will appear in the game in finnished industries. But yes...final result will be great and still better than play with basic industries

[andythenorth]

Now you break compatibility...

FIRS breaks compatibility often. I don't mind breaking vehicle sets.

I'm only afraid the moment when we will start to redrawing FIRS into 32bpp extrazoom.

I think it's very unlikely anyone will ever achieve that

[stefino_cz]

I think it's very unlikely anyone will ever achieve that

What do you thing that is unlikely? That someone will add extrazoom into your set?