Total Bridge Renewal Set: version 1.12

ISA · Post by **ISA** » 25 Jun 2007 16:55

Pretty fancy!

Chicago Rail Authority · Post by **Chicago Rail Authority** » 25 Jun 2007 16:55

Constructive criticism - The two long bridges are supposedly in line with each other, yet appear to get closer together on the "north" end.

Purno · Post by **Purno** » 25 Jun 2007 17:49

Awesome! Keep up the great work!

Bilbo · Post by **Bilbo** » 25 Jun 2007 18:18

Well, the wooden bridges looks rather like stone bridges to me ... maybe update the name

Also, wooden bridge with maglev ... LOL

But it is a nice set!

Especially that 160mph cantilever ...

Digitalfox · Post by **Digitalfox** » 25 Jun 2007 18:23

thgergo, amazing job, i can't wait to test this set

If you need any beta testing, feel free to add me to the list

athanasios · Post by **athanasios** » 25 Jun 2007 23:22

thgergo wrote:It seems, these bridges needs unique bridgeheads.

For sure.

DonRazzi · Post by **DonRazzi** » 26 Jun 2007 00:11

Wow! Nice idea! But I'd kick out the tubular stuff (never liked this pseudo-sci-fi-crap) and use the slot for using a wooden bridge together with the viaduct.

BTW: Is there any bridge-painting tutorial?

thgergo · Post by **thgergo** » 26 Jun 2007 11:56

Digitalfox wrote:thgergo, amazing job, i can't wait to test this set

If you need any beta testing, feel free to add me to the list

For those, who want a test version, so here it is. It got grfid 0000001

This is an very incompleted version, there are many missing sprites, it even able to crash your OTTD/ttdpatch. You have been warned! For reality, my OTTD crashes occur when you try build that big arch bridge in another direction. For ttdpatch I dont know how this will behave.

Chicago Rail Authority wrote:Constructive criticism - The two long bridges are supposedly in line with each other, yet appear to get closer together on the "north" end.

Will see what can I to with that...

DonRazzi wrote:Wow! Nice idea! But I'd kick out the tubular stuff (never liked this pseudo-sci-fi-crap) and use the slot for using a wooden bridge together with the viaduct.

BTW: Is there any bridge-painting tutorial?

I think no one made a tutorial especially for bridges yet. I suggest you decode a grf, then paint something on it.
Suggested reading: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php ... oordinates
And if you want your bridge in game easily, just decode trg1r.grf, and modify the bridge sprites there.

m4rek · Post by **m4rek** » 26 Jun 2007 18:09

athanasios wrote:
thgergo wrote:It seems, these bridges needs unique bridgeheads.
For sure.

I must agree, without them these bridges collapse.

Digitalfox · Post by **Digitalfox** » 26 Jun 2007 22:48

thgergo, i know there are some limits on what can be replaced with newgrf

But, things like:

- the minishot of the bridge on menu, could they all be someway replaced?

- wooden bridge in monorail and maglev, are somewhat unrealistic..

- The speeds and prices can be changed to a more realistic way? Road vehicles like a BUS can go 300 KM/H on a road bridge?? And bridges are to cheap for some kind of balanced game, i know ttd isn't a game about reality, but fun, but i think to cheap takes some fun..

This is just some of my opinions

Personally i like the road this set is following

Keep the good work thgergo

thgergo · Post by **thgergo** » 26 Jun 2007 23:21

Digitalfox wrote:thgergo, i know there are some limits on what can be replaced with newgrf

But, things like:

- the minishot of the bridge on menu, could they all be someway replaced?

- wooden bridge in monorail and maglev, are somewhat unrealistic..

- The speeds and prices can be changed to a more realistic way? Road vehicles like a BUS can go 300 KM/H on a road bridge?? And bridges are to cheap for some kind of balanced game, i know ttd isn't a game about reality, but fun, but i think to cheap takes some fun..

This is just some of my opinions

Personally i like the road this set is following

Keep the good work thgergo

All minishots can be replaced, but tubular, suspension, and cantilever bridges uses same minishot for their different approach. Maybe I can play with recolour sprites, allowing them two different 16colour minishot. This would be enormous work for a little improvement I think.

Speeds, prices will be changed later, Ill finish the sprites first

About cheap prices, my prices are 2* expensive than original... per example: original cantilevers price is 900-1000$/tile. Im also plan increase the cost of the second cantilever to 1400$/tile. I dont know, but I think the prices cant be set this strict, my values just a relative/avarage plan.
More original costs: suspension: 720-820
Tubular silicon: 2000/tile

Digitalfox · Post by **Digitalfox** » 27 Jun 2007 00:10

thgergo, and what about the maglev/monorail bridges, can wooden bridges be replaced by other type of bridge?

By the I've tried the grf and after playing a little with it, i like it, off course sprites are missing, but building every bridge gave no crash in openttd

Caelan · Post by **Caelan** » 27 Jun 2007 14:02

Just a small suggestion: I would love to use the same rail bridges as road bridges, since i often place them next to eachother, making them look like on bridge...

MJS · Post by **MJS** » 27 Jun 2007 16:03

Well, that may look nice, but it's not realistic - and I must say I enjoy having many many different bridges. Using different bridges for roads and railways effectively doubles the number of bridge designs that can be squeezed into the game.

Digitalfox · Post by **Digitalfox** » 28 Jun 2007 00:20

MJS wrote:Well, that may look nice, but it's not realistic - and I must say I enjoy having many many different bridges. Using different bridges for roads and railways effectively doubles the number of bridge designs that can be squeezed into the game.

Agreed

thgergo · Post by **thgergo** » 29 Jun 2007 17:07

Some pogress, other direction of the arch bridge:

Digitalfox wrote:thgergo, and what about the maglev/monorail bridges, can wooden bridges be replaced by other type of bridge?

By the I've tried the grf and after playing a little with it, i like it, off course sprites are missing, but building every bridge gave no crash in openttd

The speedlimits is per bridgetype, not bridges per railtype... Then if I replace the wooden bridges for maglev/monorail, I can take two choices: raise the speedlimit for maglevbridge, or lower the limit for the slower wooden bridge...

Caelan wrote:Just a small suggestion: I would love to use the same rail bridges as road bridges, since i often place them next to eachother, making them look like on bridge...

Also, I notice something: If there is lower variaty of bridges, should I eject the unused bridges to trash bin?

Digitalfox · Post by **Digitalfox** » 09 Jul 2007 00:23

thgergo wrote:Some pogress, other direction of the arch bridge:
Digitalfox wrote:thgergo, and what about the maglev/monorail bridges, can wooden bridges be replaced by other type of bridge?

By the I've tried the grf and after playing a little with it, i like it, off course sprites are missing, but building every bridge gave no crash in openttd
The speedlimits is per bridgetype, not bridges per railtype... Then if I replace the wooden bridges for maglev/monorail, I can take two choices: raise the speedlimit for maglevbridge, or lower the limit for the slower wooden bridge...

Caelan wrote:Just a small suggestion: I would love to use the same rail bridges as road bridges, since i often place them next to eachother, making them look like on bridge...
Also, I notice something: If there is lower variaty of bridges, should I eject the unused bridges to trash bin?

Sorry thgergo, for a so late answer

Well, if that's the case, i think wooden bridges in rail bridges should have a slower speed, because most of us i think use them when we have low cash at the beggining of the game, and in mono/maglev we already have a lot of money and build the most or most speed one :\

No, don't eject them to trash, we should have a lot of variaty of bridges, that's one of the good things i see in this project

thgergo · Post by **thgergo** » 11 Jul 2007 09:20

Digitalfox wrote: Well, if that's the case, i think wooden bridges in rail bridges should have a slower speed, because most of us i think use them when we have low cash at the beggining of the game, and in mono/maglev we already have a lot of money and build the most or most speed one :\

No, don't eject them to trash, we should have a lot of variaty of bridges, that's one of the good things i see in this project

Well if I add wooden bridges they needs a bridge slot, so witch slot should be replaced with wooden bridges?

wallyweb · Post by **wallyweb** » 11 Jul 2007 12:36

thgergo wrote:
Digitalfox wrote: Well, if that's the case, i think wooden bridges in rail bridges should have a slower speed, because most of us i think use them when we have low cash at the beggining of the game, and in mono/maglev we already have a lot of money and build the most or most speed one :\

No, don't eject them to trash, we should have a lot of variaty of bridges, that's one of the good things i see in this project
Well if I add wooden bridges they needs a bridge slot, so witch slot should be replaced with wooden bridges?

The first or the second slot would seem most appropriate as it would correspond with the original configuration. If the bridge availability is time based, the wood bridge could be replaced after 1940 or 1950.

nguwland · Post by **nguwland** » 25 Jul 2007 11:57

Hey Guys, at first, good work on the bridges. As I've installed Testy.grf, and it works, quite well. Besides the known problems with the large arch-bridge (can only be built as rail-bridge and in / direction), I am quite pleased with the set this far. Let my bore you guys with some shots and see the bridges in action. (altogether with the canadian rail and stations set, dutch catenary and us-roadset)

Here the great arch-bridge, looks great doesn't it? Together with the new cantilever bridge, and the unchanged suspension brige

Purno´s new suspension brige spanning a railway-island. Also the new cantilever bridges are visible.

The new cantilever bridge spanning at great hights, and in the background you see the stone viaducts.

The two types of girder bridges.

And I found some minor glitches, witch weren't mentioned (or I did read to fast

)

If you create a high version of the newest girder bridge, it doesn't look symmetrical. There are only piers at one side of the bridge. Perhaps the piers on the right side of the bridge can also be added?

With the other girded bridge (the former arch-bridge), IF you build higher than 1 tile, a change in terrain-heigt doesn't look to well.

further, go on guys. I love your set!

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