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Re: [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - Revived
Posted: 10 Jan 2008 23:23
by DJ Nekkid
okei, my last post for today...
Here is the two files i will be working on, and with proper names, i think.
1st one is simply Action A new trains. Currently
Maglev 4 'Chimaera' - maglev train
'SH 125' - Diesel train
2nd contain both engines, but with livery override for some wagons. currently
Chimaera; pax,mail,goods,valuables
SH 125: pax
Question;
Should i make the 3 other "express" style wagons for the SH125 as well, mainly after i've improved it more. Next grapics will probably be tomorrow, if i can find the time.
Im planning on makeing more "MU's", and should theese also include the express goods?
Re: [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - Revived
Posted: 10 Jan 2008 23:42
by DeletedUser21
I see in the wiki that the canals and locks are to be redone aswell, but aren't they already original sprites since those were made by the community and not by Chris Sawyer
Re: [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - Revived
Posted: 11 Jan 2008 00:16
by athanasios
Should i make the 3 other "express" style wagons for the SH125...
Uop to you
7of9. You already know my opinion: The more the best!
Re: [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - Revived
Posted: 11 Jan 2008 06:04
by DJ Nekkid
athanasios wrote:Should i make the 3 other "express" style wagons for the SH125...
Uop to you
7of9. You already know my opinion: The more the best!
got'cha
Re: [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - Revived
Posted: 11 Jan 2008 06:50
by athanasios
DAMN IT! This is unthinkable.
Depots do not accept CC in all of their sprites. (I refer to inner wall sprites.)
Please, can a coder provide some information and probably give a hand?
regards
athanasios
Re: [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - Revived
Posted: 11 Jan 2008 07:58
by CMircea
Zephyris wrote:I have updated the fruit and water wagons to be more distinctive.
Re: Desolator
Could you be more specific? See attached for a comparison between the original and my graphics.
OK, most of the cars that aren't flatbed are lacking some shading, for example the coal one.
The water car doesn't look like a tanker at all to me. Maybe making the edges a bit more visible, a little shading and some loading holes. The oil one seems to have the tanker a bit too small, but maybe that's just me.
IMO they're all not as good as other sprites, but in general they're very close, just some touching needed.
EDIT: I wish phpBB would be threaded.
Re: [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - Revived
Posted: 11 Jan 2008 11:15
by DJ Nekkid
Did some grapical updates to the SH125.
* More contrast on windows in certain views
* Added a pinstripe inbetween the wagons in all views
* Fixed (i think?) the viewes i were not too happy with
* Added some noise to the wagons in sertain views
* Added express wagon override
Updated the post further up with new grf's, they also contain the Chimaera
Next up is the TVG i think, either that or EuroStar
Re: [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - Revived
Posted: 11 Jan 2008 12:25
by Ben_K
7of9 wrote:...'SH 125' - Diesel train...
Hi 7of9, the sort order on the carriages is wrong at the top of the hill. I dont know if ots a bug, if not, then obviously it needs top go to the back!
Otherwise, that's looking nice.
Re: [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - Revived
Posted: 11 Jan 2008 12:51
by DJ Nekkid
it is probably "just" a matter of pretty wierd offsets
what would be a "normalized" offset?
currently it have theese;
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-1 sprites/sprites/mus/sh125.pcx 2 40 01 23 9 -4 -12
-1 sprites/sprites/mus/sh125.pcx 42 40 01 17 22 -11 -9
-1 sprites/sprites/mus/sh125.pcx 82 40 01 12 32 -16 -6
-1 sprites/sprites/mus/sh125.pcx 122 40 01 17 22 -11 -9
-1 sprites/sprites/mus/sh125.pcx 162 40 01 23 9 -4 -12
-1 sprites/sprites/mus/sh125.pcx 202 40 01 17 22 -11 -9
-1 sprites/sprites/mus/sh125.pcx 242 40 01 12 32 -15 -6
-1 sprites/sprites/mus/sh125.pcx 282 40 01 16 22 -11 -8
Re: [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - Revived
Posted: 11 Jan 2008 13:49
by FooBar
7of9 wrote:what would be a "normalized" offset?
The ones that you would copy from trg1r.nfo?
As far as I know, there are no 'normalized' offsets. I usually start with centering a vehicle: i.e. sprite offset = negative value of (sprite size divided by 2). Work from that to get it correctly on the tracks.
[canals and locks]
I added that to the list, because it looks like they use parts from the default dock. It might be wise to figure out who has drawn those canal/lock sprites (George, IIRC) and ask if it's a derived work, or drawn completely from scratch. In case of the latter, we don't have to replace anything.
[depot and CC]
I'll look into that later today. If it's true that no CC can be used in the 'inside' sprite, we have to live with that. There's no way of fixing that through GRF/NFO.
Re: [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - Revived
Posted: 11 Jan 2008 14:47
by DJ Nekkid
i should stop asking so stupid questions i guess ... no wait, there are no stupid questions, only stupid people, mmkey?
well, my offsets seems ok, tho all numbers are rounded down.
And; they are actually your work in the first place FooBar, from the MX3k set you coded for me to learn some nfo...
Re: [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - Revived
Posted: 11 Jan 2008 14:58
by richk67
FooBar wrote:[depot and CC]
I'll look into that later today. If it's true that no CC can be used in the 'inside' sprite, we have to live with that. There's no way of fixing that through GRF/NFO.
Should be possible. Its no different to the code below for the hangars in my airport grfs.
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// 03 Old Hangar
4A 0A 00 00 //tarmac below
0E 00 00 02 10 1C 61 8A 00 80 // hangar front
00 00 00 02 10 1C 62 8A 00 80 // hangar side
80
Re: [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - Revived
Posted: 11 Jan 2008 15:20
by FooBar
richk67 wrote:...the code below for the hangars in my airport grfs.
Could you please try and explain that code. I don't quite understand that...
7of9 wrote:And; they are actually your work in the first place FooBar, from the MX3k set you coded for me to learn some nfo...
Well, that might have worked for the MX3000, but that doesn't imply those numbers work for another vehicle. And maybe I didn't even align the MX3000 properly; I don't remember
Re: [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - Revived
Posted: 11 Jan 2008 15:47
by richk67
Sorry, yeah, bit of a severe cut in that cut/paste.
Its a sprite definition from a (Action0Station) Prop 09 sprite layout
The first line is the ground tile sprite.
The second is the hangar sprite on top of the ground. The 8A is the important part, where the 8 indicates that it is drawn with CC.
The third line is the inner wall of the hangar. Again, I draw it with CC, although it is technically unnecessary.
It would need to be checked whether the depot inner wall is drawn with CC in the code of OTTD. It might, it might not. If not, then there should be no problem changing OTTD to support it correctly.
Re: [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - Revived
Posted: 11 Jan 2008 16:21
by DJ Nekkid
7of9 wrote:And; they are actually your work in the first place FooBar, from the MX3k set you coded for me to learn some nfo...
Well, that might have worked for the MX3000, but that doesn't imply those numbers work for another vehicle. And maybe I didn't even align the MX3000 properly; I don't remember
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well, we can align things when we need to, right now do i focus on the sprites, not so much on the offsets
anyway, im staring on the TVG now, but im not too sure on what style i should go for ... the original orange with the white stripe and black around the windows (1st generation TVG afaik) (orange should be CC)
or the slightly newer TGV-Réseau witch are mainly gray, but have CC around the windows.
Original orange
Reseau
Tho, i am tilting a bit towards the Reseau tho, but i heavent made up my mind yet. It is grayer, but it it also cleaner and will stand out more i think... Hard one
Re: [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - Revived
Posted: 11 Jan 2008 16:26
by FooBar
Thanks. Now it starts to make sense to me.
But...In case of an airport, the hangar is part of a station, so Action0Stations makes complete sense to me. In case of a road vehicle depot, the depot is not part of a station, so I really doubt if Action0 would be of any use...
Re: [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - Revived
Posted: 11 Jan 2008 16:38
by richk67
The Prop 09 definition is used widely within both newgrf and OTTD. The road depot is defined within table\road_land.h, and you can see how that relates to the Prop 09 format. It looks from that as though the inner wall is NOT drawn in CC by OTTD. However, if you look at table\track_land.h, those depots are drawn with inner wall in CC. Its a minor code mod.
Re: [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - Revived
Posted: 11 Jan 2008 16:38
by DeletedUser5
Well, I've worked on rail fences. A lot of bugs are fixed but still some exist. Why? Because sometimes when one bug is fixed second is created.
Re: [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - Revived
Posted: 11 Jan 2008 16:54
by Zephyris
I still think they are really good - they tile perfectly in the / | and \ directions. Plus I think they look great!
Re: [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - Revived
Posted: 11 Jan 2008 17:17
by FooBar
richk67 wrote:The Prop 09 definition is used widely within both newgrf and OTTD. The road depot is defined within table\road_land.h, and you can see how that relates to the Prop 09 format. It looks from that as though the inner wall is NOT drawn in CC by OTTD. However, if you look at table\track_land.h, those depots are drawn with inner wall in CC. Its a minor code mod.
Would you be willing to submit a patch to change that behaviour. I could try and do it myself, but that would probably take another half a year or so, because I'd have to learn C(++) first
@Soeb:
Would you mind if I tried myself to align your fences the way I think it should be possible?
