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Wu?robotboy wrote:..... and would also break compatability with TTDPatch if the author wishes to stay compatible with TTDPatch.
TTDPatch had 2cc before OpenTTD did...
my post was meant to be in reply to Akalamania or whatever but people posted inbetweenPikkaBird wrote:Wu?robotboy wrote:..... and would also break compatability with TTDPatch if the author wishes to stay compatible with TTDPatch.
TTDPatch had 2cc before OpenTTD did...
That takes talent, roboboy.
Just, I would like to suggest something :
make the capacity higher and running cost higer for most of your tram. (that will make them attractive, if you want to pay for a good service level)
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Name Price Speed Run Cst Intro Lifetme Capac Power Weight £ mph £/yr yr yr hp tons Balough Passenger 6024 25 702 1934 22 35 50 8 SH Jubilee Passenger 6234 45 768 1957 22 40 80 14 SH Royal Passenger 6690 50 985 1983 22 60 120 26 Foster Passenger 7038 60 1056 2009 22 70 200 32 A2020 Passenger 6980 60 802 2024 22 70 330 40 MPS Mail 5980 25 687 1935 22 27 80 14 SH 08 Mail 6182 45 792 1975 22 32 120 26 SH 2000 Mail 6500 50 1002 2014 22 41 200 32 Balogh Goods 6128 25 702 1933 22 19 80 14 Manley-Morel Goods 6457 45 814 1973 22 24 120 26 Floss Goods 6780 50 1014 2012 22 28 200 32
For example, to give an idea, last year, in my town, a new tram line have been created, capacity is 200 passengers (to 270 max), speed is up to 70km/h, running cost is maybe high... and Power is 688kW !!!
PS : for thoses interrested, it's a "citadis" (brand).
technical details (in french, sorry) here : http://perso.orange.fr/florent.brisou/Fiche%20Lyon.htm
that's where I took these figures.
- multiply the capacity person by two, (by 3 for tram after 1980)
- multiply running cost by 2 or 3 too
- increase hp power for recent ones (after 2000)
The passenger carriage in the original game is probably based upon (as with almost all of the default trains) a British carriage (probably mark 2 or 3), which would hold nearer to 72-80 people.
688kW of power isn't really necessary either.
I do think running costs should go up a little, but if the designer wanted to stay in line with the original game vehicles' running costs, he's done a damn good job Kudos.
EDIT: Remember these costs will all be affected by inflation, so a tram could cost nearer to £200,000 to build later in the game.
Right, my goal was just to give an example, I didn't ask for adding a super-powered tram in the list.Dave Worley wrote: 688kW of power isn't really necessary either.
it's just to show the difference between a real case and trams that have been designed in this grf (even the lastest ones) which are so poor (capacity) from my pov.
it's a great job nevertheless.
but making caracterisitcs more different from busses is better.
No... That's 153 311... (No joke, it actually IS a railbus, although not a Pacer.)Born Acorn wrote:But trams are practically railbuses, ie, buses on rails.
Trams existed prior to buses, in some cases. You could argue that trams came first. The only reason we can consider them as buses is because we've grown up in a world (at least in the UK) of buses and no trams, and because they were adapted early on to work on roads.
You should know (since a lot existed in the Welsh mountains hauling coal ), that original tramways operated very similarly to railways.
And what I was showing is that the trains we see in game are often nothing or are very little like real life. 30 tonnes of coal in a hopper? HAA Hoppers hauls something like 115t, if I remember correctly.it's just to show the difference between a real case and trams that have been designed in this grf (even the lastest ones) which are so poor (capacity) from my pov.
The tramset can't be true to life because if it was, it'd be hideously unbalanced with the rest of the game.
I find that your attitude is quite typical amongst players of the game (both flavours) - you seem to be saying "give me a reason to use it", whereas you should be saying "you design it, and I'll use it, somehow".
And since they're only single decker, one car trams... You should be getting about 40-50 max, so even 70 is a very high number.