UKRS v3.04 and UKRS industries v2.01 (20th of Jan)

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Re: UKRS v3.04 and UKRS industries v2.01 (20th of Jan)

Post by Comm Cody » 21 Apr 2009 22:49

Hey Pikka..... I got a Idea. Using Engine pool, can you make a DTV Set? sorry just that extra noob thing. Why? Well it's a fat pain in the butt to attach the Class 91 to the back of a train just get that right feeling.
My humble suggustions. Yous could code it like the brake van, only when a train reaches 10 tiles, no swapping.
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Re: UKRS v3.04 and UKRS industries v2.01 (20th of Jan)

Post by peter1138 » 22 Apr 2009 07:13

Or you can just put a mail carriage at the end of your class 91...
He's like, some kind of OpenTTD developer.

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Re: UKRS v3.04 and UKRS industries v2.01 (20th of Jan)

Post by Comm Cody » 22 Apr 2009 11:45

This is with not a class 91, but everything else.
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Re: UKRS v3.04 and UKRS industries v2.01 (20th of Jan)

Post by Dave » 22 Apr 2009 12:51

comm Cody wrote:This is with not a class 91, but everything else.
They're not for everything else.

They were used after 1988 with 86s and 87s on the West Coast, and then with 90s and 91s on the East Coast (and the GEML).

They've only recently been used on 67s for Wrexham and Shropshire (and also the EWS Company Train), and even these aren't really a "regular" service compared to constant usage on the 91s.

Since the 87 and 90 aren't in the set, and the 67 isn't used with a DVT very often, I don't think there'd be anything to gained by it anyway.
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Re: UKRS v3.04 and UKRS industries v2.01 (20th of Jan)

Post by Ameecher » 22 Apr 2009 15:40

And there were only 14(?) DBSOs and they've only ever worked with Class 47s, 86s and 90s in service. Not much need for them, really.
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Re: UKRS v3.04 and UKRS industries v2.01 (20th of Jan)

Post by Comm Cody » 22 Apr 2009 20:08

I said it was that extra noob thing, okay.
Hey I don't have to play RealismFTW like extact numbers, names,et. I can play with a Class 91 on a Class 37. So drop the real life thing. It's a game, not a real simlutor. Okay?!
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Re: UKRS v3.04 and UKRS industries v2.01 (20th of Jan)

Post by Hyronymus » 22 Apr 2009 20:39

Am I mistaken or is someone getting annoyed here?

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Re: UKRS v3.04 and UKRS industries v2.01 (20th of Jan)

Post by Ameecher » 22 Apr 2009 21:44

comm Cody wrote:I said it was that extra noob thing, okay.
Hey I don't have to play RealismFTW like extact numbers, names,et. I can play with a Class 91 on a Class 37. So drop the real life thing. It's a game, not a real simlutor. Okay?!
Slow down and untwist your knickers. They way I've always seen and understood UKRS to be is a representation of general British trains, not specific ones, hence the Type 2, 3, 4, 5 and banners rather than class 25, 37, 47, 66 as the graphics suggest because there were lots of different locos in these classes due to the way BR went about ordering trains. As a result of this the common trains are represented and a DVT, in reality is not that common.
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Re: UKRS v3.04 and UKRS industries v2.01 (20th of Jan)

Post by Brianetta » 23 Apr 2009 07:26

Ameecher wrote:...a DVT, in reality is not that common.
That was when British Rail played. How about when Player 1 plays? Very different histories might have arisen.

It's a shortcoming of Transport Tycoon in general. You're at the mercy of the mysterious train manufacturers. "in reality" the availability of various motive and rolling stock was driven entirely by demand, not the other way around. British Rail demanded diesels; diesels were ordered and manufactured. British Rail demanded a new electric train for the east coast; the 91 (and the Mk 4 DVT) were developed.

Unfortunately, in the game, we're in no position to demand anything from the railway manufacturer. The closest we can come is making requests on the forum. In this particular case, Pikka has the ultimate right to refuse, but I don't think it's right to tell people it's unrealistic and therefore not as worthy of consideration.
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Re: UKRS v3.04 and UKRS industries v2.01 (20th of Jan)

Post by Ameecher » 23 Apr 2009 21:24

Well yes, this is true, perhaps I should have added: "In my person opinion, I don't think there is a need for them" but there we go, we all live and learn.
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Re: UKRS v3.04 and UKRS industries v2.01 (20th of Jan)

Post by Dave » 24 Apr 2009 14:52

Brianetta wrote:I don't think it's right to tell people it's unrealistic and therefore not as worthy of consideration.
I didn't say it wasn't worthy of consideration - just said why it wasn't in there as it was, and then said "I don't think..." which surely could/should/wasn't interpreted as "in my opinion".

I actually have a further request out of this - any chance of a separate DVT ID please? As I don't want it to transport mail...
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Re: UKRS v3.04 and UKRS industries v2.01 (20th of Jan)

Post by Comm Cody » 24 Apr 2009 21:43

Or make a Class 67 Mail Train.
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Re: UKRS v3.04 and UKRS industries v2.01 (20th of Jan)

Post by Dave » 24 Apr 2009 23:39

comm Cody wrote:Or make a Class 67 Mail Train.
Class 67 + Mail Vans... What I mean is - I don't mind transporting the mail - but I'd rather do it in bulk than in the DVT... It's fairly moot, but - e.g. - I don't want 91+mk4s to be picking up mail from stations where I don't transport mail from.

Hypothetical example - I've got 91s running between London and Edinburgh, calling intermediately at P'boro, Doncaster, York and Newcastle. I've got 67s on Mail Trains running from platforms at London, York and Edinburgh (now unrealistic, but just for reference...), I don't mind my 91s picking up mail from London, but I don't want them to deliver to PBO, Donny or Newcastle, and I certainly don't want to start a poor mail service from the other three stations because I'm taking 30 bags of mail from an 8k city every journey.

In reality, I'd want to run mail from specific depots, but this isn't necessarily possible.

Although if you were being realistic at the minute you'd convert the Cl 321s to Mail (to act as a 325), and operate them as 12 car sets behind an 87 (as an 86)!

I frigging love realism!!!!
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Re: UKRS v3.04 and UKRS industries v2.01 (20th of Jan)

Post by slgann » 25 Apr 2009 00:57

One of the parameters for UKRS is suppose to disable shunting behavior. What exactly is shunting behavior?

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Re: UKRS v3.04 and UKRS industries v2.01 (20th of Jan)

Post by Comm Cody » 25 Apr 2009 01:29

In response Dave, Use the trucks! It's real life and you love real life, right... :P Nowhow I do it is that I have a mail car as the buffet or diner car and have 1 or 2 mail cars up front so I carrie about 115 bags in one loco hauled train. so much fun on my Hartly Northren game. I can PM over and you see how I cope with the mail. Even with Pax and Mail reduction my mail trains make about 50,000 dollars a year.
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Re: UKRS v3.04 and UKRS industries v2.01 (20th of Jan)

Post by Dave » 25 Apr 2009 10:30

One of the parameters for UKRS is suppose to disable shunting behavior. What exactly is shunting behavior?
With certain tank engines early on, it is possible through use of a brakevan to have the loco and the brakevan "swap" sprites temporarily, which means it appears that the tank engine is always at one end - as opposed to the train turning so the tank engine is always leading (in real practice, a tank engine can obviously operate in both directions either pushing or pulling rolling stock).

I always get this confused, so I don't know if the 91+DVT combination is part of the shunting practice, but if it is, the same applies with the Class 91+DVT - i.e. the Class 91 leads one way and trails the other, which is obviously how they operate in real practice.
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Re: UKRS v3.04 and UKRS industries v2.01 (20th of Jan)

Post by Brianetta » 26 Apr 2009 09:42

Dave Worley wrote:I always get this confused, so I don't know if the 91+DVT combination is part of the shunting practice
It is. I believe that it was the first example of Pikkabird using this technique.
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Re: UKRS v3.04 and UKRS industries v2.01 (20th of Jan)

Post by audigex » 22 May 2009 19:44

Aha, that's what the brake van is for!!! Thanks :p I just used to add it to the back of trains for realism, but the tanks were quickly replaced so I didn't notice it.

I'd love an alternate DVT too, it just niggles at me to have 1000s of mail items piling up at stations when I'm doing a pax game.
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Re: UKRS v3.04 and UKRS industries v2.01 (20th of Jan)

Post by dasy2k1 » 03 Jun 2009 03:12

somthing else i would love is an commuter carriage (possibly as a refet option but not sure if this can be done)

normal carriage, 40 pax, loads in 5s max speed none
commuter carriage, 60 pax, loads in 10s (bigger doors) max speed say 75mph

naturlly thease would only come in with the EMUs (am2 am10?) and would represent remodeling a carrage for urban use

possably more a game ballance thing than realistic but who can tell for sure

the other thing i would like to see is a 170 or similar to replace the 158s for class 2 services

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Re: UKRS v3.04 and UKRS industries v2.01 (20th of Jan)

Post by DaleStan » 03 Jun 2009 03:42

dasy2k1 wrote:normal carriage, 40 pax, loads in 5s
commuter carriage, 60 pax, loads in 10s (bigger doors)
So the vehicle with smaller doors loads at a rate of 8 pax/sec, while the vehicle with larger doors loads at only 6 pax/sec?

Does anyone else think this might be backward?
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