Posted: 20 Sep 2005 15:44
Those are MNG files. You cannot do an animated file and still have it as PNG?
I couldn't see the MNG.
I couldn't see the MNG.
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I don't have one...krtaylor wrote:Support for animated GIFs is excellent, but I dunno about animated PNGs. I've never seen one. I have tools to animate GIFs, but not PNGs. Do you have an animated PNG that you could post here, just so we could see who could see it and who can't?
Properly optimized, it shouldn't be too bad I think, as long as the amount of movement on the screen is kept to the minimum necessary to demonstrate the feature.[/quote]An animated GIF that properly illustrated a feature, would be way too huge to be practical I think. Kind of like the same problem as with a movie.
That would be impractical, and a lot more work than coding a tutorial in the way TTD does it. And again you'd get the problem that different switch settings would break this.The only other thing I could think of would be some hack into the multiplayer code, allowing some sort of remote control of the game engine. Sort of our own way of doing a controlled tutorial. Is this possible?
Well, if we had a whole series of little ones, that might be practical.Patchman wrote: Properly optimized, [an animated GIF] shouldn't be too bad I think, as long as the amount of movement on the screen is kept to the minimum necessary to demonstrate the feature.
No, but subframes can be mostly transparent, which can be encoded very efficiently, so you only need to encode the actual modified pixels. I seem to recall that things moving across a background can also be done by redrawing the existing background frame and then the moving thing at different coordinates, so you only have to encode the background and the moving thing once, and then just draw them over and over again. A good animated gif encoder would do all that automatically, of course. I used the "Gif Construction Set" many years ago and was surprised at how efficient it can be.nilsi wrote:If I remember correctly, animated gifs have no support for storing differences. They just store pics one after the other.
Just like a grf file
I'm not sure what you mean ... a screen capture? not that I'm aware of or at least I've never had the need to look for one. Check their site ... its quite descriptive re features. They may have it as a plug in.krtaylor wrote:Does it have an automated screen grabber?
Ouch! I've never heard of that although I imagine its quite possible. In this case I believe the Gif and PNG/MNG Construction sets will only disassemble those file types although they will accept any bit map graphic and convert them to gif or PNG. I'm pretty sure you would have to use a stand alone app for the screen capturing.krtaylor wrote:Yes, I looked, and didn't see one.
I was thinking of a screen capture that sequentially captures the screen every X milliseconds, or, every time something changes.
That has got to be some of the worst compression I've *ever* seen. Assuming you were at 640x480, that should have been 15-20 min at 12-15 fps.Flamelord wrote:My 4-and-a-half-minute tutorial is 284 megabytes, and gets up to about 3 frames per second, tops (Set to capture at 15).
It's not free, but it's cheap: SnagIT (http://www.snagIT.com). It can be put on a timer to automaticly take images in almost any format that exists. I use it very often and I love it. It even has a very basic "movie" capture mode.krtaylor wrote:Yes, I looked, and didn't see one.
I was thinking of a screen capture that sequentially captures the screen every X milliseconds, or, every time something changes.
Maybe if the related patches where grouped and the rest sorted. I was just saying that it can be hard to find a switch by "eye". But of course with FF's great sreach feature it's not that hard. It was just a thought.DaleStan wrote:Sorted how? Alphabetically by title is pretty easy, but that's not particularly useful. Aplhabetically by switch is utterly impossible; there is one page that describes all four of planes, roadvehs, ships, and trains.
If you can come up with a decent sort order; I'll consider re-arranging things, but until then, I suggest you just use the search box.