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Posted: 30 Oct 2006 19:23
by m3henry
Purno wrote:...bigger map.
well said, i think 1024 should do.

Posted: 30 Oct 2006 19:34
by Purno
m3henry wrote:
Purno wrote:...bigger map.
well said, i think 1024 should do.
Depens on the size of things. But I believe the DD limits the amount of tiles by something like 65000*65000 (where 65000 is probably x^2).

Posted: 30 Oct 2006 22:54
by Hyronymus
There will most likely be a hard limit of 65k x 65k tiles but also soft limits that probably can be set per server. 65k x 65k is huge by the way, it's 64x a 1024 x 1024 OTTD map.

Posted: 31 Oct 2006 10:46
by Purno
Hyronymus wrote:There will most likely be a hard limit of 65k x 65k tiles but also soft limits that probably can be set per server. 65k x 65k is huge by the way, it's 64x a 1024 x 1024 OTTD map.
Well, an individual tile could be smaller tho ;)

Posted: 01 Nov 2006 12:11
by Hyronymus
I'm afraid we have suffered a big loss. The ideas page hosted by jpl for a long time seems to have been gone. Jpl is attempting to scrutinize a crashed HDD where it might be on but it looks like we lost it. My question (and hope) is if someone ever made a backup of it.

Posted: 01 Nov 2006 12:40
by aarona
Do you mean the wiki?

Posted: 01 Nov 2006 14:51
by Hyronymus
No the old wiki is officially dead. We had our ideas put into a database that was accessible via a website of jpl: http://jpl.yi.org/te/

Posted: 14 Nov 2006 17:42
by m3henry
Shares, optional! this could be a good way to get money, for your company, a bit like RRT2, but you can invest your own money in the company. So what do you think?

Posted: 14 Nov 2006 18:27
by Hyronymus
Even worse: you have to invest personal capital in your company to found it. Exactly like RRT.

Posted: 14 Nov 2006 22:19
by m4rek
can we sell our own company?

and can we OWN 2 companies at a time without merging them?

Posted: 14 Nov 2006 22:24
by DominionSpy
M4rek wrote:can we sell our own company?

and can we OWN 2 companies at a time without merging them?
My opinion is yes, and definitely YES!

Posted: 14 Nov 2006 23:07
by m4rek
ok, while we're at it, can we have it so that you can sign some sort of business partnership/contract, ie, allowing another cmpanies to use your stations/tracks/branches and so on... (and vice versa)? (most useful if you own a couple of companies)



can you sell your braches/networks and trains and stations to another company?

Posted: 15 Nov 2006 03:40
by aarona
Don't forget that you have to take into account the fact that there will be the AI possibly roaming around with human players. Its not practical to negotiate individual contracts, there are just too many options and it falls under micromanagement.

DANGER
Owning two companies opens up a cheat. One company could borrow to the hilt and then funnel the funds to the second company. Once the former company declares bankruptcy, limited liability ensures that the latter company cannot be responsible for the bad debt.

Posted: 15 Nov 2006 09:28
by Purno
aarona wrote:DANGER
Owning two companies opens up a cheat. One company could borrow to the hilt and then funnel the funds to the second company. Once the former company declares bankruptcy, limited liability ensures that the latter company cannot be responsible for the bad debt.
OTTD prevents that by not allowing giving money that you loaned.

Posted: 15 Nov 2006 13:04
by XeryusTC
But how do you determine if your money is actually loaned? You can ofcourse deny sending transfers if your cash is lower than your loan, which is a good solution IMO. But OTOH some people want to send some money (imagine that your sister company is going bankrupt) they just earned with their vehicles but they can't because they still have a loan, helping yourself out in this case wont work.

Posted: 15 Nov 2006 13:17
by aarona
M4rek wrote:can you sell your braches/networks and trains and stations to another company?
This is what I was actually worried about.
All you would have to do is buy up big until the company runs out of money and sell all the trains/lines/etc to another company for $1.

Posted: 15 Nov 2006 21:30
by m4rek
well, the idea is, you need to have a company WILLING to sell and an WILLING buyer. you cant just sell it all if noone wants it and you cant buy something which isnt for sale.

as for wiring funds, you cant wire funds if you are in debt AND have a bad credit rating. credit rating is based on income/profit, loans and balance.

if you cant cover the expense of the transaction (ie make up for the loss of cash), you cant send it.

make sense?

Posted: 16 Nov 2006 02:19
by aarona
M4rek wrote:well, the idea is, you need to have a company WILLING to sell and an WILLING buyer. you cant just sell it all if noone wants it and you cant buy something which isnt for sale.
What I am trying to say is that if you own two companies, you can be the buyer and seller (from one of the companies you own, to the other). Hence you can sell at a vastly undervalued price to yourself at the expense of a soon to be bankrupt company.

Posted: 16 Nov 2006 19:29
by m4rek
well then, you have to start companyB from your own funds, and then perhaps take out a loan, but if your companyB goes bankrupt, then its finances are completely transferred to your personal account, including all the loans. if you build up a huge loan on your personal account, it brings a bad credit rating, and your companies will be sold off to the bank to cover your loan

Posted: 17 Nov 2006 07:36
by aarona
If we are going to have a stock market then you could simply float Company B on the stock exchange and based on shares being "limited liability", no stockholder (including the original owner) can be held liable for any debts the company owns. This is what happens in real life.