Routing restriction discussion

DaleStan · Post by **DaleStan** » 09 Sep 2006 03:48

I'm attempting to use these new routing restrictions in the r925 nightly to reserve some tracks into this station for ore trains.

The three left-most signals into the station (marked) all share the restriction "Total train weight > 500", and the 2000+ ton iron ore trains will quite happily roll right past them. However, so will the marked 433 ton steel train.

Am I doing something wrong here?

Yes, yes, yes, I know. Beating up on the new patch-dev may not be the best idea.

EDIT: Changed title.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » 09 Sep 2006 06:29

Yes I do have the same problem.
Heavier trains than the restrictions setting, seem to prefer to take that perticular signal though.

[edit]The other restrictive settings seem to work as designed, only the weight isn't. Another thing that isn't working correctly is that I can't fill in more than 4 characters for the value. So I can't fill in my horsepower of 19,000, but only up to 1900 [/edit]

JGR · Post by **JGR** » 09 Sep 2006 06:59

Weight, power and signal status did not work as expeced as I got the numbers mixed up.
Weight was being interpreted as current depot order.
However after fixing this, it turns out that veh2.fullweight is only the weight of the first carriage, not the whole train.
I had already noticed the input window problem. The max length and max num of chars parameters were swapped.
I also need to take into account mph/kph for the max speed criteria. Currently it is in kph.

It will be fixed in the next nightly.
Thanks for taking the time to test it and report the bugs.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » 09 Sep 2006 08:08

No thank you for expanding the patch with some nice new features and bugfixes.

[bit OT]That said the fixed trainwindow works perfectly, any chance of fixing it for the other vehicle types as well ?[/bit OT]

Uwe · Post by **Uwe** » 09 Sep 2006 08:57

Wtf? Now that looks like a really cool feature, one of the sort that makes me want to start a new game right away. Keep up the good work, this is an excellent addition to the game.

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 09 Sep 2006 12:45

Maybe a dumb question, but how to "activate" this feature in r925? I do have "tracerestrict on" as well as possible other settings (pbs on, signalgui, etc) but I´m unable to find out how to set those "restrictions" in game. I don´t see any differences from before-r925 versions ...

Any advice? (I´m using the DOS version)

regards
Michael

Rob · Post by **Rob** » 09 Sep 2006 12:53

If you CTRL-click a signal the signalgui made by eis_os has an extra bar on the bottum : routefinding.

At least it does in the windows version.

DaleStan · Post by **DaleStan** » 09 Sep 2006 13:40

But that only happens if you have experimentalfeatures.signalgui on.

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 09 Sep 2006 13:43

> if you have experimentalfeatures.signalgui on.

I do. To make sure, I downloaded your ttdpatch.cfg (from .rar above) and it doesn´t make any difference.

> If you CTRL-click a signal the signalgui made by eis_os has an extra bar on the bottum : routefinding.

Mmh, sorry. No.

> At least it does in the windows version.

[edit: my version seems to lack all the needed strings, i.e. no text on that "extra bar" and a "restrictions window" with no text at all (empty). The reason seems to be the lack of language information in the nightlies (I´m using the german version)?]

regards
Nichael

Website · Post by **Lakie** » 09 Sep 2006 15:41

You also need 'tracerestrict' on MB.
I'm not sure if it works with the DOS version, will test but it should do.

[edit] An option for setting the max speed in mph or km/h would be nice, JGR.

[edit2] I have both switches required set and it works fine here in DOS.
I would sugguest using the setting in options for working out what unit to use, JGR. (mph or km/h)

~ Lakie

Patchman · Post by **Patchman** » 09 Sep 2006 16:13

JGR wrote:I also need to take into account mph/kph for the max speed criteria. Currently it is in kph.

You just need to use the right text code (84h), then TTD will automatically display it in the player's selected unit.

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 09 Sep 2006 16:37

> You also need 'tracerestrict' on MB.

As written above, I do have that switch set to "on". To be sure, I even used DaleStan´s ttdpatch.cfg posted here. Result: there is an additional bar on the signal GUI and when clicked, a new rather large window opens but it is all without any text. Plain empty.

regards
Michael

Website · Post by **Lakie** » 09 Sep 2006 16:38

Ok, with the German DOS version I got a blank bar.
This should be fixed for the next nightly now.

All the texts required should be available.

~ Lakie

Rob · Post by **Rob** » 10 Sep 2006 05:38

Ok it seems to work now.

I noticed a little problem/limitation.
If you restrict a signal on a piece of diagonal track then the piece of track on the same tile is also restricted, even if there is no signal on it.

JGR · Post by **JGR** » 10 Sep 2006 08:49

A restricted signal on parallel diagonal tracks on a tile no longer restricts the other track as well.
Available in the next nightly.

Thanks for spotting this bug Rob, it never occured to me.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » 10 Sep 2006 08:58

Well I had a major lockup in my network.
I just couldn't miss spotting it.

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 10 Sep 2006 09:02

@JGR

I think this will turn into a very important feature. Congratulations.

I have two questions though, ATM. How does one use those operators (AND, OR, ...) for restrictions? Whenever I have set the first restriction and then click <and> there´s no possibility to enter another restriction, just the possibility to click again <and>, <or> or <xor>?

Second problem is illustrated by the screenshot from my actual game which has a PBS problem with the signal shown. Apparently, a restriction set for that very signal is acting wrong as well because that train has a speed of 100 km/h?

Thanks for the good work done so far.

regards
Michael

Rob · Post by **Rob** » 10 Sep 2006 09:06

michael blunck wrote:@JGR

I think this will turn into a very important feature. Congratulations.

I have two questions though, ATM. How does one use those operators (AND, OR, ...) for restrictions? Whenever I have set the first restriction and then click <and> there´s no possibility to enter another restriction, just the possibility to click again <and>, <or> or <xor>?

You have to click on the litte "-" sign below your first restriction, and then you can select another restriction.

JGR · Post by **JGR** » 10 Sep 2006 09:23

Michael Blunk, could you post your savegame please, so that I can have a closer look at that signal.
Thanks.

Additionally, Rob is right, although you can also click anywhere on that line to select it. This applies to all of the criteria and operators (and/or/xor).

Sooner or later I will get round to doing a thorough documentation on the wiki, but until then...

Post by **orudge** » 10 Sep 2006 21:25

Ooh, this looks like a very interesting feature indeed, very good work, JGR.

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