Station configuration

C-Funky · Post by **C-Funky** » 20 Jun 2006 21:43

i think i've sort out a good configuration for a station that can hendle a very big amout of trains very efficiently.

A and B group are combo pre-signals except the first one in each track, there are 5 squeres between them and the enter of the station, this is to make sure that when one enter line is full trains will head the second way.

now in order to make sure trains go to each part of the station equally i added E and F as exit pre-signals - all signals between A,B and E,F are combo so when ever EG or FG sections are full trains will head the other way, i tried it in game i can put the same here if needed, it works efficiently well.

jezza5-1-0 · Post by **jezza5-1-0** » 20 Jun 2006 21:54

Nice layout good choice for making a split track at the entrance. nice work mate

C-Funky · Post by **C-Funky** » 20 Jun 2006 21:58

wee tnx A LOT

ConductorBob · Post by **ConductorBob** » 21 Jun 2006 03:01

Id expect more trains to go left then right...

Ihmemies · Post by **Ihmemies** » 21 Jun 2006 03:38

Please, don't use so tight corners

Train slow down in tight corners (look at train's speed), and it slows the station down too. So...

sopio · Post by **sopio** » 21 Jun 2006 04:16

How about my station design.
This is a transfer station,
3 track transpot goods here
7 track x 2 for 50 trains shift the good out.
To make the transfer business make monry, 1 train in one track to make the station almost empty.

That is very high effective transfer station.

C-Funky · Post by **C-Funky** » 21 Jun 2006 05:50

Id expect more trains to go left then right...

well it doesn't metter, they'll go left as long as the left side of the station is empty, once it's full the pre-signals will turn red and trains will go right..

and about the tight corners, i just wanted to get the full picture of the station into one screen shot, so i made it compact... the importent part is the pre-signals array, not the tracks layout.

sultana · Post by **sultana** » 21 Jun 2006 08:50

Having the exit pre-signals at E and F kind of removes the point of having the waiting block for trains leaving the stations and entering the main line.

Explained in screenie.

C-Funky · Post by **C-Funky** » 21 Jun 2006 19:03

no it doesn't cos once the waiting block is full cos the station is servicing a lot of trains there is no point that trains will come to that side of the station, they rather go to the second enter.

thats excatly why i have the pre-exit signals there, so when all the exit block in one side is full all the pre signals up to point A or B will be red forcing trains into the other section of the station...

that's that problem i was trying to solve cos i have a full exit block and train still came to that part causing a terrible jam.

sc79 · Post by **sc79** » 22 Jun 2006 03:49

Both stations in the screenshot handle exactly the same number of trains, and are, for gameplay purposes, exactly the same design. Effectively all you're doing is making the station 'platform' twice as long....

If you have a problem with most of your trains using one side of the station, you need to set up your entrances to split the traffic, not your exits. If you have a problem with jams with trains trying to merge back to the main line, you need to fix that to stop trains backing up.

C-Funky · Post by **C-Funky** » 22 Jun 2006 08:08

no, cos is the second design you've shown there are less trains inside the station at once, it takes a while for the exit block to get full and half of the station itself is filled with trains already, so you got less stress outside of the station, in my game case there was a jam at the entrance to the station so i needed the station to accept as many trains as it could simultaniously...

in the case you've shown the station without the exit block leaves a lot of trains waiting outside the station and that can cause jam if it lines up too the way to the main line...

proudmoore · Post by **proudmoore** » 22 Jun 2006 08:26

Adding a waiting line merely means that you can have more trains within the station area - but not at the platforms. If you have less trains than those who will be waiting, then this works - but in the end, it merely delays the merging. It doesn't actually speed up the merging - and making this efficient is very difficult.

However, if you want a very good example of merging at it's best, have a look at the southern major rail station in the OTTD Coop game "The Circus". It's a very long merging process - but ye god's it's efficient. As far as i can see, the basic principle relies on always having at least 2 ways to go - so if one is blocked, trains can go the other way.Unfortunately, this becomes difficult/impossible with only 1*1 mainlines. 2*2 or more makes this much easier.

sc79 · Post by **sc79** » 22 Jun 2006 09:03

no, cos is the second design you've shown there are less trains inside the station at once... in the case you've shown the station without the exit block leaves a lot of trains waiting outside the station and that can cause jam if it lines up too the way to the main line...

Both stations will handle exactly the same number of trains; infact, the one with the extra exit block will handle less IMO, because it will take trains longer to clear.

In the screenshot, the only manually stopped trains are the 2 at the very front to create the jam. Both stations can fit exactly the same number of trains in the same space (i accidently made the exit merge on the bottom one 1 tile longer, which allowed space for one extra train, but thats all).

C-Funky · Post by **C-Funky** » 22 Jun 2006 10:03

sc you don't get it...

the line between the main line and the station with what you show will get all jamed up pretty quick cos trains can only enter the station once other trains leave, if you have the same amount of trains with your desing the jam will go all the way down to the main line, in my stations trains who finished unloading will go the exit block allowing more trains to come in thus removing the traffic from the main line entrance...

and i added the exit presignal after the station only cos i devided my station into two parts, so when one is full trains will head the other way, maybe for a 4 squeres station the exit block changes nothing but for my 10 blocks that devided into two sections it makes all the diference, the station serve more than 70 trains...

sc79 · Post by **sc79** » 22 Jun 2006 10:43

in my stations trains who finished unloading will go the exit block allowing more trains to come in thus removing the traffic from the main line entrance...

No, they wont. By placing exit signals before the exit block, any trains in that exit block will stop more trains from entering the station.

Take another look. The red side is how you have it set up in your station. Note the exit signals, and how all the entrance signals are red, despite the fact all the platforms are free. The blue side is how you need to set it up. The exit blocks are all full, but more trains can enter the platforms.

C-Funky · Post by **C-Funky** » 22 Jun 2006 12:51

ok you're right, this should be perfect then i guess, station with 9 spaces, and 3 devided places...

bobingabout · Post by **bobingabout** » 22 Jun 2006 12:55

you still want the exit lengths...

Brianetta · Post by **Brianetta** » 22 Jun 2006 14:38

Yuck, three-pronged junctions. You won't see many of those in real life, and those that you do see will be very low speed.

sc79 · Post by **sc79** » 22 Jun 2006 21:14

No, thats even worse. You've linked the entrance and exit blocks now, so that any train exiting the station causes the entrance to turn red.

Go back to your design in the first post. Change the exit signals in sections E and F to normal signals (C and D should be exit, not combo signals too, but i think that will work anyway). Now you'll have the setup you're trying to achieve.

anboni · Post by **anboni** » 24 Jun 2006 12:22

proudmoore wrote:have a look at the southern major rail station in the OTTD Coop game "The Circus". It's a very long merging process - but ye god's it's efficient.

proudmoore, do you happen to know of a download location for this savegame? I've checked the coop wiki and these forums, but all I can find is two posts by yourself mentioning it

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