OpenTTD 0.5.1-RC1

[MrMox]

Is this a problem only with old save games, or is it "unsafe" in general to upgrade to RC1?

[MrSmoke]

i get this error as well...even with a new game...not old saved game

[Rubidium]

It's a problem that occurs when new vehicles are introduced, so when playing after 2040 or so everything should go alright.

[SirkoZ]

Here's one fix, that would also really improve 0.5.0:

->If improved and gradual loading is ON and
-player has lots of 6-waggon trains visiting a transferred-to station (e.g. to pick up wood and
-the station has 8 lanes
- only ONE train is loading at a time (i.e. HUGE inefficiency)...

-> FIX:
-if more cargo than the station has room for waggons (e.g. 4 square station has room for 7 waggons and locomotive) is on the station, then
-the other trains would automatically start getting loaded in parallel to the train which first arrived at the station.

[Rubidium]

Here's one fix, that would also really improve 0.5.0

True, but the current improved loading mechanism is:
a) not FIFO
b) very ineffective (wastes lots of processor power)
c) using it with gradual loading makes the processor cycle wasting even worse.
d) filling the next vehicle makes c even worse.

Fixing all these things requires such a massive rewrite that I think it is not likely to get this backported.

Furthermore it hasn't been coded and tested yet.

[klogg]

Hmm this was discussed in several threads now...
Seems to me that players are in general not happy with the current situation.
So is there any advice from the devs on how to handle this?
Switch gradual OF? Turn something ON? Stop complaining?

I think this is an essential part of the game and should
get more attention if necessary.
(please don't tell me: just do it. I'm not capable, other people are)

klogg

[Rubidium]

Switch gradual OF? Turn something ON? Stop complaining?

I'd say turn off 'improved loading'. Because improved loading is the problem and gradual loading only makes us more aware of the problem.

[White Rabbit]

Fix: When a bribe failed and you haven't picked up cargo yet, you would never be able to do so for a given station (r9070)

So that's what the problem was..

[Eddie]

Yes please, and the savegame too.

I guess SignalFailure had the same problem I did.

[DaleStan]

Do you know for a fact that this is the case? If not, do what Maedhros says.

[Eddie]

Well when the game crashes I hear the 'Ooooh' sound effect that is played when a new vehicle is introduced into the game... therefore I would strongly assume that I am experiencing the same problem.

[Tomsomethingcon]

not being funny or any thing, but ifyou know about this problem, them why realease the RC,

i thought the RC's were all about fixing the bugs from the pervious RC/versions

and not addin new problemsa to be fixed in a later RC

[futurix]

not being funny or any thing, but ifyou know about this problem, them why realease the RC,

i thought the RC's were all about fixing the bugs from the pervious RC/versions

and not addin new problemsa to be fixed in a later RC

Obviously they did not know about the problem at the time of the release. The warning was added later.

And yes, RC is all about fixing the problems, unless fixes introduce new bugs (which could happen). I'm sure, the problem will be fixed soon.

[SirkoZ]

Here's one fix, that would also really improve 0.5.0

True, but the current improved loading mechanism is:
a) not FIFO
b) very ineffective (wastes lots of processor power)
c) using it with gradual loading makes the processor cycle wasting even worse.
d) filling the next vehicle makes c even worse.

Fixing all these things requires such a massive rewrite that I think it is not likely to get this backported.

Furthermore it hasn't been coded and tested yet.

I see. Wow - I didn't know the current loading code was so messed up.

Thanks for the explanation.

[Tomsomethingcon]

i take it nobody is using this RC then, as all mulitplayer games to me are Vision Mismatch

going back to O.5.0 then

[SignalFailure]

Seems like I'm the only one still using this RC!

Another crash

Attached crash.sav - I guess this is the 'emergency save'?


*** OpenTTD Crash Report ***
Date: 2007-03-23 20:16:32
Build: 0.5.1-RC1 built on Mar 20 2007 22:36:09
Exception C0000005 at 000D0000
Registers:
EAX: 00000140 EBX: 00513638 ECX: 00000096 EDX: 00000064
ESI: 0000012C EDI: 0000000A EBP: 00000096 ESP: 0012FB54
EIP: 000D0000 EFLAGS: 00010216

Bytes at CS:EIP:
?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??

Stack trace:
0043DCDE 0000000A 00000000 005C2F6C 005C2F7C 0012FB74 00000080 0012FB7C
0012FB98 00439119 00000001 005C2F60 00000120 00000200 00000180 0012FBB4
00439095 0012FBB4 00439100 00000001 005C2F6C 00000200 00000296 00000180
0012FBF0 0040D020 00000104 005C2F7C 000001E0 005438E0 00000300 000001E0
01441180 00000016 FFFFFFE4 00000080 000000DC 00000400 00430000 0012FC28
0040D141 00000180 00000104 000001E0 005C2F60 00000000 005C2F60 00000300
00000010 00000400 00000180 00000100 005438DE 77D4F45F 0043A7E7 00000000
007AA3EF 0012FC34 00438D0E 005C17FC 005C35D8 0012FCA0 00000000 007AA40D
00000000 00000000 000A013A 0000000F 00000000 00000000 007AA3DF 00000217
000001A2 0042285C 00000A28 00000001 00000001 0000FD00 000207CC 00000000
0002081C 0012FCC0 77E85060 0000002B FFFFFFFF 00000000 00000104 0000FDE9
0012FD24 00000001 00000028 0012FCEC 77E84FC0 0000FD00 00000000 000207CC
FFFFFFFF 0012FD24 00000104 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 FFFFFFFF
0000FDE9 FFFFFFFF 0012FE2C 0053474C 00000000 00000000 FFFFFFFF 0000FF28
0012FF28 0043736E 0012FE28 00000002 5C3A4322 676F7250 206D6172 656C6946
704F5C73 54546E65 704F5C44 54546E65 78652E44 00200065 00440054 0065002E
00650078 E7E60000 EBEAE9E8 EFEEEDEC F3F2F1F0 D7F6F5F4 FBFAF9F8 DFFEFDFC
E3E2E1E0 E7E6E5E4 EBEAE9E8 EFEEEDEC 00150178 00155128 FBFAF9F8 00150178
00AD0178 00AD3550 00AD03A0 00AD3DE0 00000020 00000008 00AD03A0 00AD3DD8
00000000 00AD01B0 00AD3548 00AD2F48 77E63AC8 0012FE82 77E61D28 00000226
0012FE24 77F6679B 0012FE82 00000008 00000045 77E62C0C 77E63AC8 0012FE80
00AD27B8 00AD0178 00AD3550 00000001 77E60000 77E600E8 00AD3550 00000040
0000000A 00AD0428 00AD0428 00400000 00AD0164 0012FD25 77E60000 0012FE82
0012FE7C 0012FE7C 0012FE82 77F5F8EA 00AD3D50 77F5F70F 004F5040 00000002

Module information:
C:\Program Files\OpenTTD\OpenTTD.exe handle: 00400000 size: 1352704 crc: D0AFFEFD date: 2007-03-20 21:37:02
C:\WINDOWS\System32\ntdll.dll handle: 77F50000 size: 654336 crc: 137C90F3 date: 2003-05-01 15:56:12
C:\WINDOWS\system32\kernel32.dll handle: 77E60000 size: 928768 crc: F9B17333 date: 2006-07-05 10:46:36
C:\WINDOWS\System32\WINMM.dll handle: 76B40000 size: 171520 crc: CDB2A62A date: 2002-08-29 12:00:00
C:\WINDOWS\system32\USER32.dll handle: 77D40000 size: 561152 crc: 6B9D6F2F date: 2005-03-02 18:20:03
C:\WINDOWS\system32\GDI32.dll handle: 7F000000 size: 260608 crc: 3A8B23CB date: 2006-01-02 22:38:03
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ADVAPI32.dll handle: 77DD0000 size: 558080 crc: E8B5CA96 date: 2002-08-29 12:00:00
C:\WINDOWS\system32\RPCRT4.dll handle: 78000000 size: 535552 crc: 9779ECD0 date: 2004-03-06 02:16:11
C:\WINDOWS\System32\WS2_32.dll handle: 71AB0000 size: 70656 crc: 5467F054 date: 2006-08-16 12:14:23
C:\WINDOWS\system32\msvcrt.dll handle: 77C10000 size: 323072 crc: 6B4C287C date: 2002-08-29 12:00:00
C:\WINDOWS\System32\WS2HELP.dll handle: 71AA0000 size: 18944 crc: A104BC20 date: 2002-08-29 12:00:00
C:\WINDOWS\System32\LPK.DLL handle: 629C0000 size: 18944 crc: 339805F0 date: 2002-08-29 12:00:00
C:\WINDOWS\System32\USP10.dll handle: 72FA0000 size: 339456 crc: EEE0DBE8 date: 2002-08-29 12:00:00
C:\WINDOWS\System32\wdmaud.drv handle: 72D20000 size: 22016 crc: 111175C9 date: 2002-08-29 12:00:00
C:\WINDOWS\System32\msacm32.drv handle: 72D10000 size: 20480 crc: D5406BAE date: 2002-08-29 12:00:00
C:\WINDOWS\System32\MSACM32.dll handle: 77BE0000 size: 67072 crc: 7C7B8D2A date: 2002-08-29 12:00:00
C:\WINDOWS\System32\midimap.dll handle: 77BD0000 size: 17920 crc: 27FE86C2 date: 2002-08-29 12:00:00
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ole32.dll handle: 4FEC0000 size: 1190400 crc: 0BABE97C date: 2005-07-26 04:31:13
C:\WINDOWS\system32\uxtheme.dll handle: 5AD70000 size: 203264 crc: 0F5145F0 date: 2002-08-29 12:00:00
C:\WINDOWS\System32\CLBCATQ.DLL handle: 7C890000 size: 497152 crc: 34745AC0 date: 2005-07-26 04:30:41
C:\WINDOWS\system32\OLEAUT32.dll handle: 77120000 size: 569344 crc: D0AA7380 date: 2002-08-29 12:00:00
C:\WINDOWS\System32\COMRes.dll handle: 77050000 size: 792064 crc: B9EC5C2F date: 2002-08-29 12:00:00
C:\WINDOWS\system32\VERSION.dll handle: 77C00000 size: 16384 crc: 974DCE59 date: 2002-08-29 12:00:00
C:\WINDOWS\System32\dmime.dll handle: 77300000 size: 181248 crc: BF6CE3D8 date: 2004-07-09 04:27:28
C:\WINDOWS\System32\DSOUND.dll handle: 51080000 size: 381952 crc: 71BC2B1C date: 2004-07-09 04:27:28
C:\WINDOWS\System32\dmusic.dll handle: 00EB0000 size: 122880 crc: D0A4B03C date: 2004-07-09 04:27:28
C:\WINDOWS\System32\KsUser.dll handle: 5EF80000 size: 4096 crc: 853DEC10 date: 2002-12-12 00:14:32
C:\WINDOWS\System32\dmsynth.dll handle: 77480000 size: 100864 crc: 8F12DF7F date: 2002-12-12 00:14:32
C:\WINDOWS\System32\dmloader.dll handle: 77380000 size: 33280 crc: CED7D165 date: 2002-12-12 00:14:32
C:\WINDOWS\System32\ctagent.dll handle: 10000000 size: 61440 crc: 2F8D5CFE date: 2002-11-05 11:05:30
C:\WINDOWS\system32\mswsock.dll handle: 71A50000 size: 228352 crc: 3328E8C5 date: 2002-08-29 12:00:00
C:\WINDOWS\System32\wshtcpip.dll handle: 71A90000 size: 17408 crc: BB1B3F2A date: 2002-08-29 12:00:00
C:\WINDOWS\System32\psapi.dll handle: 76BF0000 size: 17408 crc: 6F4CD869 date: 2002-08-29 12:00:00

System information:
Windows version 5.1 2600 S