FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Development

[Kogut]

Small request: is it possible to add mail to accepted cargos on oil rig?

Would you want mail produced also? (not possible - industry cargo limit reached)

Yes, I want it but I know that it is impossible, that is why it was not suggested by me.

I still would like to have it.

[andythenorth]

That´s one of the ill-conceived things in FIRS: the cargoes are mostly too generic. And this isn´t only a matter of taste, but it´s also against the "spirit" of introduced means to guarantee general applicability for vehicle sets.

I see the issue, and we've discussed it a little by pm. I disagree that it's ill-conceived.

The FIRS cargo scheme has gameplay as the primary concern. There's been quite some evolution and testing to that end, with input and help from a lot of people. Accepting the FIRS cargos on these terms means also accepting some inconsistencies with vehicles. I know it's a specific problem, but it's one I choose to live with.

It remains the case that using classes carefully provides widespread vehicle support for FIRS - at the basic level of ensuring that vehicles are provided to carry the cargos. There are some problems providing appropriate graphics, and a few things that stand out as odd, such as the issue with building materials which implies both cement and window glass travelling in hoppers. However the gameplay seems to work.

I am open to suggestions for further improvements (although the other contributors have requested that I make no further changes to cargo chains at least until FIRS 1.0 is released).

[Ogre]

...I am open to suggestions for further improvements (although the other contributors have requested that I make no further changes to cargo chains at least until FIRS 1.0 is released).

At some point of view, it could be better if a part of this set is done once and for all. I think this issue can be solved by renaming / replacing / translating some of the cargoes in to more specific ones, making translations (and people's acceptance maybe) a bit easier without loosing the original idea. In my opinion, none of the cargo chains has to be changed, since we are discussing names, descriptions, not the cargo chain itself. Assuming the cargo classes can be kept, a simple renaming of some cargoes could do the job. I agree that this is not an easy task to find new names everyone likes and indentifies as you do, however once this is completed, chances are much lower that people may ask for changes. Anyway, I am not as deeply involved as many others, so consider this as a simple suggestion / thougt.

...There are some problems providing appropriate graphics, and a few things that stand out as odd, such as the issue with building materials which implies both cement and window glass travelling in hoppers. However the gameplay seems to work...

Here should the player be put in charge: if he wants to play with a drop of realism, he has to select the correct cargo carriers depending on the industry he collects the cargo from. If you want to control the choice of cars you either have to make the vehicle sets more restrictive or you transform "building materials" to "cement" or "concrete" and have the player transport it together with "lumber", "glas" to the constrution yard...

@Michael: I want to apologize for not having read your post carefully enough.

[kamnet]

It remains the case that using classes carefully provides widespread vehicle support for FIRS - at the basic level of ensuring that vehicles are provided to carry the cargos. There are some problems providing appropriate graphics, and a few things that stand out as odd, such as the issue with building materials which implies both cement and window glass travelling in hoppers. However the gameplay seems to work.

Would this also explain why I'm seeing Wool as being transported in tankers?

[andythenorth]

Would this also explain why I'm seeing Wool as being transported in tankers?

Maybe Which vehicle set?

[Kogut]

My favourite Lime Kiln ( http://www.zumi.pl/,Czajowice,Szukaj,19 ... mapie.html? )

offtopic: that topic reached 100k views

[kvwrd]

This is the English language file for FIRS. Translations are welcome - just replace the strings in this file with localised versions, then post it back here.

7F_any.txt

What is the main difference between manufacturing and engineering supplies? I tried to figure it out by myself, but my language skill is just not enough.

[michael blunck]

What is the main difference between manufacturing and engineering supplies? I tried to figure it out by myself, but my language skill is just not enough.

Hehe. Tell me if you´ll find it out.

Machine Shop -> Engineering Supplies -> Recycling Plant -> Manufacturing Supplies

regards
Michael

[Kogut]

This is the English language file for FIRS. Translations are welcome - just replace the strings in this file with localised versions, then post it back here.

7F_any.txt

What is the main difference between manufacturing and engineering supplies? I tried to figure it out by myself, but my language skill is just not enough.

- eng sup are going to raw industries (things used in mining, logging -> heavy machinery, tools)
- man sup are going to processing industries (things used during standard production -> paper, jars, tools, packagings)

[Kogut]

I think that graphics from Survey Supply Depot may be used to make variants of foo farm.
EDIT: As I remember sb requested screens...

[kvwrd]

This is the English language file for FIRS. Translations are welcome - just replace the strings in this file with localised versions, then post it back here.

The attachment 7F_any.txt is no longer available

This is my translation of FIRS on russian language. I've never translated any TTD files before and still have few questions:

1. What is \UE07C \87 values and TEXT_CRG_xxxx_TABBR constants?
2. It is possible to use custom function to get totally correct translation? The problem is that translation file supposed to have 2 cases: singular and plural, but in russian language there is 3 cases for nouns after numerals. (for example: 1 тонна of bauxite, 30 тонн of bauxite, 42 тонны of bauxite). I left missing translation strings commented and with _GUNIT postfix but don't know is it possible to use them. The function for determining noun case can be found here (it's written in javascript): http://pastebin.com/4wKGDvRn
3. What is correct LANG_ID and LANG_ID2 for russian language and where these values can be found?
4. How I can test this translation? Because i'm not sure it's really correct, maybe it's need to play some time to find out the errors.

Thank you.

[Ogre]

- eng sup are going to raw industries (things used in mining, logging -> heavy machinery, tools)
- man sup are going to processing industries (things used during standard production -> paper, jars, tools, packagings)

Now that is a clarification... so scrap metal is a "minable raw material" ?

[Sorry, I could not resist...]

[Kogut]

- eng sup are going to raw industries (things used in mining, logging -> heavy machinery, tools)
- man sup are going to processing industries (things used during standard production -> paper, jars, tools, packagings)

Now that is a clarification... so scrap metal is a "minable raw material" ?

[Sorry, I could not resist...]

OK, I should use etc. Anyway in Junk Yard there is used kind of machinery.

[planetmaker]

This is the English language file for FIRS. Translations are welcome - just replace the strings in this file with localised versions, then post it back here.

7F_any.txt

This is my translation of FIRS on russian language. I've never translated any TTD files before and still have few questions:

1. What is \UE07C \87 values and TEXT_CRG_xxxx_TABBR constants?
2. It is possible to use custom function to get totally correct translation? The problem is that translation file supposed to have 2 cases: singular and plural, but in russian language there is 3 cases for nouns after numerals. (for example: 1 тонна of bauxite, 30 тонн of bauxite, 42 тонны of bauxite). I left missing translation strings commented and with _GUNIT postfix but don't know is it possible to use them. The function for determining noun case can be found here (it's written in javascript): http://pastebin.com/4wKGDvRn
3. What is correct LANG_ID and LANG_ID2 for russian language and where these values can be found?
4. How I can test this translation? Because i'm not sure it's really correct, maybe it's need to play some time to find out the errors.

Thank you.

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ad 3) don't worry. But here you are http://hg.openttdcoop.org/nml/raw-file/ ... uage-files - 07 is the languageID.
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[kvwrd]

Fixed broken TEXT_INFO_GENERIC_CLOSE_2 in russian translation file.

[andythenorth]

What is the main difference between manufacturing and engineering supplies? I tried to figure it out by myself, but my language skill is just not enough.

One is a production boost for non-farm primary industry.
The other is a production boost for secondary industry.
That's the simple gameplay definition. It might not help with translations though
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@kogut, nice screenshots. The builders yard is conveniently close to the cement plant

[kvwrd]

Another small changes that removes irritating dots after "т" and from now i promise not to be so often.

[Kogut]

As I see only petrol has TE_GOODS flag. I think that also goods and building materials should have it. For now it has no influence for vanilia but that killed my patch (towngroth based on TE_FOOD & TE_GOODS flags).

Is it possible to have quick fix?

PS: affected code from my patch

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const CargoSpec *cs = CargoSpec::Get(cargo_type);
if (cs->town_effect == TE_GOODS) st->town->new_act_goods += accepted;

[andythenorth]

Kogut - we looked at your request, implementing it would cause some issues in the default game - towns would accept multiple growth cargos, but the GUI has no way to display it. It's quite easy to checkout FIRS and patch this yourself though

Here's some graphics for the Sugar Refinery:

sugar_refinery.png (13.7 KiB) Viewed 1948 times

[Kogut]

Kogut - we looked at your request, implementing it would cause some issues in the default game - towns would accept multiple growth cargos, but the GUI has no way to display it. It's quite easy to checkout FIRS and patch this yourself though

AFAIK goods towngroth cargos are not displayed in vanilia. Only food & water.