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Who would you vote for?

Conservatives
10
16%
Labour
12
19%
Liberal Democrats
28
44%
UKIP
2
3%
British National Party
2
3%
Scottish National Party
0
No votes
Plaid Cymru
3
5%
Green
3
5%
Democratic Unionist
0
No votes
Sinn Féin
1
2%
Ulster Unionist
0
No votes
SDLP
0
No votes
Other
3
5%
 
Total votes: 64

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orudge wrote:
atomicdanny wrote:If David Cameron becomes PM, the UK will be ruined!...
Don't be ridiculous. The country is ruined enough after 13 years of Labour! Hopefully Cameron can turn things round a bit.
Didn't Tories cause most of the problems in the first place +13 years ago? And Labour has been repairing the damage since. This is what I've been led to believe.
I think things here are alright to be honest. No country can be perfect but we are substantially better off than many others

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It's the same old argument from whichever party isn't in power. They will always say they could have done this better, woulld have handled things differently. It was always the previous goverment's fault. That's the benefit of hindsight.
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Didn't Tories cause most of the problems in the first place +13 years ago? And Labour has been repairing the damage since. This is what I've been led to believe.
Labour did, admittedly, raise investment to a decent level when they came to power. But then they massively overdid it with an unsustainable deficit. And it's not just the economy. Their mindsight is bureaucratic (governments knows best instead of individual doctors and teachers) and they enroach on liberties (ID CARDS).

I'm surprised Cameron didn't mention ID Cards. They're very unpopular and reminding us of them could have won him some more crucial votes.
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Wasila wrote: I'm surprised Cameron didn't mention ID Cards. They're very unpopular and reminding us of them could have won him some more crucial votes.
Really? I've really wanted to get my hands on one.
Mainly because I want a good form of ID that I can carry around with me as I don't like taking my passport out unless I'm travelling.
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Geo Ghost wrote: Didn't Tories cause most of the problems in the first place +13 years ago? And Labour has been repairing the damage since. This is what I've been led to believe.
I think things here are alright to be honest. No country can be perfect but we are substantially better off than many others

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In complicated human geographical terms, Britain was stuck in a stagflation post-Fordist Keynsian recession that the previous system of economic policy had no hope of getting us out of. The Conservative government under Thatcher kickstarted the economy with a hefty dose of neoliberalism, globalisation and laissez-faire, the main downsides were tackled to an extent rather successfully under John Major's governance (the Gini coefficient of income inequality increased from 0.25 to 0.34 under Thatcher but have remained at that level ever since Major and have certainly not reached American levels of inequality at 0.45). In short, Britain's economy experienced a Schumpeterian creative-destruction event with a new internationalist neoliberalist economy, complete with its inequality associated with it, replacing the old Fordist Keynsian system that was good for the poor, but didn't help the economy in the slightest.

In more simple terms, Britain was stuck in a really bad recession. There was only one way out of it, which the Conservatives did do. As a result of that, the majority of the population saw their incomes rise dramatically but inequality increased, but hasn't actually increased significantly since the end of the Thatcher government. Yes, the conservatives did create inequality. But they had to, and if they didn't, we'd be all worse off today VERY significantly.

So in some terms, you're right. But John Major's government actually repaired much of the damage. Labour also helped during their first 1 and a half terms, but after that they made things worse (even before the economic downturn).
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Was too good to be true, Lib Dems despite heavy advertising and taking media by storm took quite not bad part of electoral cake. Unfortunately for them: coming 3rd gives next to nothing.

Personally would love to see Labour taking more heavy blow because during their cadence nearly nothing was done (or done well), they were sleeping all times swimming in tax payers money.
Although for myself it might gets harder to live in UK during Conservatives rules.

Hope to see Lib Dems growing stronger for next election as right now both choices Labour/Conserv are not a good choice however you look at it. IMHO it's time for somebody new/fresh.
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Geo Ghost wrote: I think things here are alright to be honest.
The U.K. is bankrupt. You may pray that interest rates stay low forever.
Geo Ghost wrote: No country can be perfect but we are substantially better off than many others
National debt (in % of GDP) and accretion in 2009 (in bn Euro)
1. Japan 198 (+197)
2. Greece 124.9 (+67)
3. USA 94.4 (+1925)
4. U.K. 80.3 (+461)

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National debt (in % of GDP) and accretion in 2009 (in bn Euro)
1. Japan 198 (+197)
2. Greece 124.9 (+67)
3. USA 94.4 (+1925)
4. U.K. 80.3 (+461)
I assume he was speaking in relation to somewhere like Nigeria or Morocco. In which case, he'd be right. We still have one of the largest economies in the world.
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Wasila wrote:
mb wrote:[...]
I assume he was speaking in relation to somewhere like Nigeria or Morocco. In which case, he'd be right.
Who cares for Nigeria or Morocco in this context? Hint: Bangla Desh exists.
Wasila wrote: We still have one of the largest economies in the world.
You still have the City, at least until now.

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michael blunck wrote: You still have the City, at least until now.
Which is why any proposals to take the banks mercilessly without a global agreement will send them running off elsewhere. The city and the banking industry is far more important than the majority of Britain realises.
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Geo Ghost wrote:Note: Don't flame me about anything or get ratty about what I say otherwise I'll ignore what ever you have to say.
Is it just me, or is that a bit of a silly attitude to take? "Here's what I said, but don't argue with me or *la la la I'm not listening*" :?
Geo Ghost wrote:Really? I've really wanted to get my hands on one.
Mainly because I want a good form of ID that I can carry around with me as I don't like taking my passport out unless I'm travelling.
You can always get a provisional driving licence, which in theory should be just as acceptable as ID as a full driving licence. Alternatively, are there not some youth ID schemes that produce cards ("PASS cards", I think they're called, but I may be wrong) that you can get?

Just because a few people don't have valid forms of ID, *forcing* an expensive biometric ID card on *everybody* is not the way to go. An optional card, perhaps. Compulsory, no thanks.
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from: Inflation - the value of the pound 1750-2005, Library House of Commons, Research paper 06/09, Feb 2006.

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orudge wrote:
Geo Ghost wrote:Note: Don't flame me about anything or get ratty about what I say otherwise I'll ignore what ever you have to say.
Is it just me, or is that a bit of a silly attitude to take? "Here's what I said, but don't argue with me or *la la la I'm not listening*" :?
No not like that. I mean people shouting and flaming about it.
I won't mind debating things calmly and in a friendly manner, I just don't like like people going "you're such and idiot for saying that" "oh your opinions are so crap" etc etc.
I don't listen to anyone who gets ratty and starts shouting and getting rude about it all - For me, that goes for everything. Not just politics.

I did not say I will ignore everything someone says. only people who flame or get very ratty :wink:


As for ID cards, I didn't know they were enforcing the biometric stuff. I knew that they might be giving people ID cards whether liked or not (like how NI cards are given to everyone) though I haven't been aware of compulsory biometrics.
As for provisional License, I could but I prefer the ID card idea. Partly because I've been to a few places where they don't accept provisional license since so many have forged them heh.
But each to their own. Some might prefer them, others may not.
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michael blunck wrote: from: Inflation - the value of the pound 1750-2005, Library House of Commons, Research paper 06/09, Feb 2006.

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Well of course if you compare it going back to 1750 it's going to look ridiculous - any currency that's experienced sustained inflation will look like that. Purchasing power parity is what you really need to look at for a situation like that.

Japan hasn't experienced inflation for about a decade. Infact, they had deflation. And it hit their economy hard. 2% inflation is seen as good.
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Geo Ghost wrote:No not like that. I mean people shouting and flaming about it.
I won't mind debating things calmly and in a friendly manner, I just don't like like people going "you're such and idiot for saying that" "oh your opinions are so crap" etc etc.
I don't listen to anyone who gets ratty and starts shouting and getting rude about it all - For me, that goes for everything. Not just politics.
Ah, well, fine enough then, that makes a bit more sense. I think it's always good to try to be civil in such discussions. Resorting to name-calling (as some are inclined to do) isn't the best way to go about having a discussion!
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michael blunck wrote:
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from: Inflation - the value of the pound 1750-2005, Library House of Commons, Research paper 06/09, Feb 2006.
What on earth is the point of showing this? Of course the nominal value of currency falls as inflation increases. As Jamie says, its purchasing power parity that is important. I don't even understand what you are trying to prove here. If its that Britain is poorer than it was in 1750, this shows nothing of the sort (and in any case, even with the credit crunch, we are much wealthier than we have ever been). If you compare real prices today of those of 1750 you will find today's are cheaper in many areas. If you showed the equivalent graph for almost any world currency I'm certain the long term trend would be identical to this.
micheal blunck wrote:Who cares for Nigeria or Morocco in this context? Hint: Bangla Desh exists.
Actually, why countries like Nigeria, Morocco and Bangladesh aren't as wealthy as European states is a major topic of research in economic history.
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I reckon the moon in this thread is far too serious. So here's a few election quotes to lighten the mood!

- What's the difference between Nick Griffin and a bus? The bus has seats.

- There's a Hung Parliament. Time to....Activate the Queen.

- They've managed to hide Lembit Opik from the entire election, I don't know how the Lib Dems did it!
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Kevo00 wrote:If you showed the equivalent graph for almost any world currency I'm certain the long term trend would be identical to this.
Actually if you showed the equivalent graphs for German currencies you'd be scrolling from now 'til Christmas... ;)
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Brown out. NOW. New direction under Ed Milliband and then the rejuvenated party can reclaim the parliament in a new election when the Tory minority government is toppled at the end of this year.

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I would have voted labour, but their leadership really put me off, fumbling through problems until they disappeared.




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