DTRS improvements

[BlinK_]

I was playing around with DTRS and I got into some troubles.

First of all if you build a sequence of DTRS in not one line, but in, for example, three, as seen in screenshot. Then arriving vehicles don't always choose the most empty line, causing traffic jams.

Another thing is this. If two vehicles are loading in a line, one after another and the second finishes first. It just stops behind the first one and waits till it finishes loading. It is seen in both screenshots. Vehcile should be able to overtake every still-loading vehcile.

And the final thing, one way roads could be availabe in DTRS. But I guess, it is possible to build one normal one way road on the entrance and one on the exit of DTRS. So this makes Roll In Roll Out station of vehicles.

[zombie]

Hi.

Try to build only one loading bay per line. AFAIK the pathfinder chooses an empty station and not a station with a clear path to it. With a single station per line everything should work fine.

Kind regards

Zombie

[Nite Owl]

If you are looking for efficiency then you might want to try something like this. The throughput is good and it is infinitely expandable depending on your needs. Vehicles will still occasionally double up at a single road stop when there is an open slot but it seems to happen less with this design then with any other I have tried.

[fabca2]

If you are looking for efficiency then you might want to try something like this. The throughput is good and it is infinitely expandable depending on your needs. Vehicles will still occasionally double up at a single road stop when there is an open slot but it seems to happen less with this design then with any other I have tried.

very interesting, can somebody add this layout to wiki ?

[T-Unit]

If you are looking for efficiency then you might want to try something like this. The throughput is good and it is infinitely expandable depending on your needs. Vehicles will still occasionally double up at a single road stop when there is an open slot but it seems to happen less with this design then with any other I have tried.

very interesting, can somebody add this layout to wiki ?

Yes. Anyone can. Just sign up and start editting.

[BlinK_]

Thank you for answers.

This design may be better than mine, but still. Since DTRS is a new thing, I mean it wasn't available in TTD, developers should make it as good as possible. So overtaking in DTRS should be possible. And path finder should consider all the stations in other lines.

I just hope developers will notice this.

[Fiddler]

Your design isn't bad ! As Zombie suggested, one loading bay per line is the way to go. In Nite Owl's design, vehicles will use only one direction of the DTRS. As seen on the picture bellow, using both directions is possible, tough a bit tricky. The one way approach might be optically pleasing, but you may already achieve the same efficiency...

[Nite Owl]

I have tried a similar design to the one Fiddler posted but it ran into problems. The vehicles will, generally, choose the shortest path to a DTRS complex and will then only come at it down that one road. This will result in them only using one side of the two way DTRS complex. That is unless you place a DTRS on the unused road and, using the non-stop order, use it as a waypoint for half your vehicles to get to the other side of the DTRS complex. More times then not I only use road vehicles for short haul, small load transfers and do not want to get into anything that complex. Of course to each their own playing style. Whatever works best for you is the way the game should be played by you.

[VoxDissident]

I never started using DTRS for industrial stations until I got some road vehicle sets using articulated vehicles... I'll just say that I was very frustrated when I realized that articulated vehicles can't use the standard road vehicle stations and absolutely have to use the DTRS.

I don't have any screens, but I've definitely been using one way entrances/exits into Ro-Ro complexes of 4-5 stations lines up parallel with only 1 station in each line.

I'll post a screen in a bit if I can get around to it.

[Hypolite]

If I can clearly see the benefits of RoRo stations for trains, I'm stuck on the question of this design utility for trucks, because it makes stations 1/2 efficient than if you use both sides.

Speaking of which, standard pathfinding makes DTRS RoRo stations by default.

I think it's much efficient to try making DTRS two way stations, especially with trams in big towns where space is valuable and throughput must be high.

I never started using DTRS for industrial stations until I got some road vehicle sets using articulated vehicles...

IMO, the standard terminus stop isn't as much efficient as the DTRS even with standard trucks, because of the many turns vehicles must do before/after loading/unloading, and the fact that those maneuvers are blocking arriving/departing vehicles.

[ostlandr]

With the current nightlies, there is a bug with YAPF and road vehicles using drive-through road stops. I switched my RVs to NPF and they started picking empty drive-through bays instead of queueing up at the first one.

[frosch]

With the current nightlies, there is a bug with YAPF and road vehicles using drive-through road stops. I switched my RVs to NPF and they started picking empty drive-through bays instead of queueing up at the first one.

That bug has already been fixed.
The remaining problem that roadvehicles do not consider driving around the station to enter a DTRS from the other side, applies to all pathfinders.

[ostlandr]

Umm. . . I might have just been using the latest Cargodest, which is not updated to trunk recently. . .

With the current nightlies, there is a bug with YAPF and road vehicles using drive-through road stops. I switched my RVs to NPF and they started picking empty drive-through bays instead of queueing up at the first one.

That bug has already been fixed.
The remaining problem that roadvehicles do not consider driving around the station to enter a DTRS from the other side, applies to all pathfinders.

[ostlandr]

One trick I use to get the most out of DTRS is to set up the buses and mail trucks to run in opposite directions. For example, if I have four stations in a town, I run the buses A-B-C-D-(service) while the mail trucks run D-C-B-A-(service).

[Hypolite]

Nice trick for multiple stations, but for point-to-point transportation, you'll have to play with "go to depot" orders.

The remaining problem that roadvehicles do not consider driving around the station to enter a DTRS from the other side, applies to all pathfinders.

Using cargodest build, I found out that sometimes, if the road crossing allowing to enter one side of another of the station (same distance) is just near the DTRS, trucks tend to take the less-common direction when general direction is already occupied.

[alexanderpas]

I noticed this type of station to be working pretty good, and the pathfinder doesn't seem to prefer one side over another.

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[cmoiromain]

That is because the feature to properly handle this kind of layout was introduced in trunk between now and january 2009...