Game: Guess the train

zero1000 · Post by **zero1000** » 02 Jul 2008 15:18

Hi Michael,

you got my questions correct according the answers you gave. This loco was reworked and rebuilt from a Alco engine. Therefore the question related to the original engine and to the rebuilt engine. The rebuilt was not done by ALCO alone and the rebuilt version didn't got a new model #, therefore I asked for the model only one time. Your try is close but not correct. The PR class ARP20 is a rebuilt of the PR class ALP14, but DL-500's are neither class ALP14 nor class ARP20 and this one here has no A1A-A1A wheel arrangement, even if it is not easy to spot in the picture. But is is one of the Alco World series, here you're right.

Country: Pakistan (1 point)
Company: Pakistan Railway (1 point)
Wheel arrangement: ??? (1 point)
Class: ??? (2 points)
Builder: ALCO (2 points) (only 1 point, because not rebuilt by Alco alone)
Year: ??? (2 points)
Model: ??? (1 point) (DL-500 is not exact enough)
Rebuilt of which class: ??? (2 points)
Builder of original class: ALCO (2 points)
Year of building original class: ??? (2 points)

So far, 5 points for Michael.
And enough points left for other guys

regards
zero1000

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 02 Jul 2008 15:33

OK, complicated ...

Country: Pakistan (1 point)
Company: Pakistan Railway (PR) (1 point)
Wheel arrangement: Co-Co (1 point)
Class: ARPW-20 (2 points)
Builder: ALCO/PR (2 points)
Year: 1982-1986 (2 points)
Model: DL-500C (1 point)
Rebuilt of which class: ALPW-18 (2 points)
Builder of original class: ALCO (2 points)
Year of building original class: 1957, 1959 (2 points)

How´s this?

regards
Michael

zero1000 · Post by **zero1000** » 02 Jul 2008 15:41

OK, no all points for you, Michael. It was to easy

Country: Pakistan (1 point)
Company: Pakistan Railways (PR) (1 point)
Wheel arrangement: Co'Co' (1 point)
Class: ARPW-20 (2 points)
Builder: Alco / PR (2 points)
Year: 1982-1986 (2 points)
Model: FPD7 / DL-500CP (1 point) (the 'P' stands for the Pakistan version)
Rebuilt of which class: ALPW-18 (2 points)
Builder of original class: Alco (2 points)
Year of building original class: 1957-1959 (2 points)

: PR ARPW-20.PNG (314.43 KiB) Viewed 2259 times

Now, the next engine is yours...

regards
zero1000

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 02 Jul 2008 20:22

zero1000 wrote:Now, the next engine is yours...

Thanks.

This one shouldn´t be too hard, but hopefully it´ll get some interest because it kind of deserves it. As usual, I´ll set up a couple of questions.

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country: ??? (1 point)
name of railway: ??? (1 point)
operator: ??? (2 points)
route: ??? (1 point)
gauge: ??? (1 point)
engine class: ??? (1 point)
engine builder: ??? (1 point)
model type: ??? (2 points)
year build: ??? (1 point)
previous owner: ??? (1 point)
previous class: ??? (1 point)
rebuild by: ??? (1 point)
in service since: ??? (1 point)
location: ??? (2 points)

Happy guessing.

regards
Michael

DanMacK · Post by **DanMacK** » 03 Jul 2008 17:44

Gauge I'm going to guess metre? (1000mm) and country I'm thinking Europe, maybe Romania?

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 03 Jul 2008 18:35

First point goes to Dan!

country: ??? (1 point)
name of railway: ??? (1 point)
operator: ??? (2 points)
route: ??? (1 point)
gauge: 1000mm (1 point) [DanMack]
engine class: ??? (1 point)
engine builder: ??? (1 point)
model type: ??? (2 points)
year build: ??? (1 point)
previous owner: ??? (1 point)
previous class: ??? (1 point)
rebuild by: ??? (1 point)
in service since: ??? (1 point)
location: ??? (2 points)

regards
Michael

Toni Babelony · Post by **Toni Babelony** » 03 Jul 2008 19:07

country: France (1 point)
name of railway: Veolia Transport (1 point)
operator: Chemins de fer de Provence (2 points)
route: Nice - Digne (1 point)
gauge: 1,000mm (1 point)
engine class: BB 1200 (1 point)
engine builder: Henschel (1 point)
model type: 31003 (2 points)
year build: 1966 (1 point)
previous owner: FEVE (Ferrocarriles Españoles de Via Estrecha, Spain) (1 point)
previous class: 1400 (1 point)
rebuild by: CFD (1 point)
in service since: 1993 (1 point)
location: Annot (2 points)

The building in the back gave the country away

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 03 Jul 2008 20:32

Toni Babelony wrote: The building in the back gave the country away

Well, yes. This was not too hard. O/c, It could´ve been much harder!

country: France (1 point) [Tony]
name of railway: Chemins de fer de Provence (CP) (1 point)
operator: Syndicat Mixte Méditerranée Alpes (SYMA), (a grouping of several authorities) (2 points)
route: Nice - Digne-les-Bains (1 point) [Tony]
gauge: 1,000mm (1 point) [DanMack]
engine class: BB1200 (1 point) [Tony]
engine builder: Henschel, Kassel (1 point) [Tony]
model type: DH(G) 1200BB (2 points)
year build: 1966 (1 point) [Tony]
previous owner: FEVE (Ferrocarriles Españoles de Via Estrecha, Spain) (1 point) [Tony]
previous class: 1400 (1 point) [Tony]
rebuild by: Compagnie des Chemins de Fer Départementaux (CFD), Ateliers de Montmirail, Marne (1 point)
in service since: 1992 (1 point)
location: Annot station (2 points) [Tony]

This engine of the CP [1] is one of many diesel-hydraulics built by Henschel of Kassel/Germany. It´s one in a batch of five engines (production numbers ..., 31003, 31004) built between 1964 and 1966 for the spanish "Ferrocarril de Compañía Minera de Sierra Menera", a coal mine in the Teruel region.

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The eventful life of Henschel diesels

Following the closure of that line in 1973, all five (nos. 1001-1005) were sold to "Ferrocarriles Españoles de Via Estrecha" (FEVE) in Northern Spain, our engine (prod no 31003) being relabeled to 1404 [2].

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1973 - 1992 in FEVE livery

In 1992, FEVE sold this engine to the french "Chemins de fer de Provence" (CP) and, in 1998, engine 1405 to the German "Brohlthal-Eisenbahn-Gesellschaft" (BEG) [3], a Museum railway near Andernach. Remaining engines 1401-1403 were sold to Argentinian LBS (Linéa Belgrano Sur) in 2007.

: LBS_1403b.jpg (40.84 KiB) Viewed 2155 times

Today in Buenos Aires, in LBS/"UGOFE" livery

[1] CP:
- http://www.trainprovence.com
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemins_de_Fer_de_Provence
[2] FEVE: http://www.amigosdelferrocarril.org/fer ... ve1400.htm
[3] BEG: http://www.brohltalbahn-fotos.de/

Well, your turn again, Tony.

regards
Michael

Toni Babelony · Post by **Toni Babelony** » 03 Jul 2008 21:33

Hmm. Didn't fill in the correct data in the correct places. I really like this narrow gauge version of the V160. Thanks for the heads-up on this one Michael! Here it goes:

Country: ??? (1 point)
Class: ??? (1 point)
Operator: ??? (1 point)
Former operator: ??? (1 point)
Name of train: ??? (2 points)
Constructor: ??? (2 points)
Engine type: ??? (3 points)
Building year: ??? (1 point)
Year of transfer to new operator: ??? (1 point)
Location: ??? (2 points)

Good luck finding this one!

paullb · Post by **paullb** » 04 Jul 2008 08:10

That building in the back looks very Japanese...

DanMacK · Post by **DanMacK** » 05 Jul 2008 16:09

Country: Japan (1 point)
Class: ??? (1 point)
Operator: ??? (1 point)
Former operator: ??? (1 point)
Name of train: ??? (2 points)
Constructor: Meitetsu? (2 points)
Engine type: ??? (3 points)
Building year: ??? (1 point)
Year of transfer to new operator: ??? (1 point)
Location: Takayama Line/Kita Alps (2 points)

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 05 Jul 2008 19:38

My try.

Class: Kiha 8500 (1 point)
Operator: Aizu Railway Co. (1 point)
Former operator: Nagoya Railway (Meitetsu) (1 point)
Name of train: Mount Express (2 points)

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Location: Yunokamionsen Station (2 points)

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regards
Michael

DanMacK · Post by **DanMacK** » 05 Jul 2008 21:41

OK, Michael currently has 7 points, let me see what I can get here

Country: Japan - 1 point
Name of Train: Northern Alps (Kiha Alps) ? Not sure on this one

Year of Transfer: 2001 - 1 point
Builder: Meitetsu - 2 points
Year Built: 1991 - 1 point
Engine: Cummins NTA855-R1 - 3 points

Looks like 8 points

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 05 Jul 2008 22:18

Uh yeah. "engine type" != "prime mover".

I forgot to post the Cummins! I was under the impression Tony wanted to know some exotic number like "DHG 1200BB" in my last post, hehe.

Nevermind.

regards
Michael

DanMacK · Post by **DanMacK** » 05 Jul 2008 22:27

Took me a bit to find it.

Hey, it's been awhile since I got to post one

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 05 Jul 2008 23:00

DanMack wrote:Hey, it's been awhile since I got to post one

Yeah, I understand.

However,

Builder: Meitetsu - 2 points

seems to be wrong.

Instead, it´s

Builder: Nippon-Sharyo Co. (2 points)

regards
Michael

DanMacK · Post by **DanMacK** » 05 Jul 2008 23:57

Darnit... lol

Toni Babelony · Post by **Toni Babelony** » 07 Jul 2008 13:14

Michael won again! Here's a little cookie for you guys I took yesterday in Paris.

Bring it on Michael!

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 07 Jul 2008 16:39

Toni Babelony wrote:Here's a little cookie for you guys I took yesterday in Paris.

Hope you had a nice day.

Well, OK. Here´s the next one, which shouldn´t be so damn hard because it´s not one of Tony´s japanese cookies.

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country: ??? (1 point)
railway: ??? (1 point)
class: ??? (1 point)
gauge: ??? (1 point)
axle scheme: ??? (1 point)
builder(s): (3 points)
year built: ??? (1 point)
name of train/service: ??? (1 point)
in service/route: ??? (2 points)
location: ??? (1 point)

Happy guessing.

regards
Michael

DanMacK · Post by **DanMacK** » 08 Jul 2008 00:25

The picture screamed South America to me, and upon further investigation, I came to the following conclusions

country: Chile (1 point)
railway: Ferrocalliles Del Estado (Chilean State Railways) (1 point)
class: E-30 (1 point)
gauge: 1.676m (1 point)
axle scheme: Bo-Bo (1 point)
builder(s): Breda GAI (Italy) (3 points)
year built: 1961-1963 (1 point)
name of train/service: Rapid Lake (1 point)
in service/route: Puerto Varas->Santiago (2 points)
location: Talca (1 point)

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