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[GeekToo]

Is is possible to run this version of Convoy ( with lib pathfinding ) against itself ( ie V1.2) to compare the pathfinders?
http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=700243#p700243

[TrueBrain]

Updated start-topic with some rules and disclaimers.

[GeekToo]

Thanks for running the tournaments again. Latest 2 tournaments show what I already expected: on easy terrain ( the default ruleset ), the Convoy pathfinder performs slightly better, but on mountains, the lib pathfinder does perform a lot better. So I'll continue Convoy with the lib pathfinder.

[paullb]

Thank you for running the tournament stuff here TrueLight.

I have one request (if possible). Would it be difficult to seperate the logs of each AI into different text files for easier review?

[Ralph]

So I did better this time, but so did everyone else . Will be back when I think it can beat ConvoyLib, the Air based ones may be harder.

[TrueBrain]

We changed the way the tournament was done completely. The time to run the tournament was about 2 hours (6 AIs), and every AI increased that with about 30%... undoable. The current method can run 32 AIs in about an hour.

To read more about it, please see http://devs.openttd.org/~noai/tournament/scoring.html. Any questions about the tournament system are welcome. Suggestions too of course, but I suggest to direct them to Yexo (mwhahahaha)

Currently we don't have more than 8 AIs, so the results are a bit slim .. but now we are prepared

[Yexo]

To read more about it, please see http://devs.openttd.org/~noai/tournament/scoring.html. Any questions about the tournament system are welcome. Suggestions too of course, but I suggest to direct them to Yexo (mwhahahaha)

That's ok, as long as you do the implementation

Currently we don't have more than 8 AIs, so the results are a bit slim .. but now we are prepared

What TrueLight tries to say: we need more AIs to test the system, so create one and post it (or message it privatly to TrueLight).

Oh, and what I forgot to say, please see this competition (http://devs.openttd.org/~noai/tournamen ... 620-014529)

[Ralph]

W00t, no longer last, but it looks like I still have a couple of crash bugs to work out. Though on the GeekToo Rules-set, round 1, pool 1, match 1 my log just stops without a crash notice. Is there some kind of CPU limit getting tired of my crummy pathfinder?

Is it possible to get the graphs in the overview in UKP? at the moment they are in euros and the results page in pounds, confused me for a sec.

[saint]

What TrueLight tries to say: we need more AIs to test the system, so create one and post it (or message it privatly to TrueLight).

I had a fiddle again last night and my AI can now build a route between two towns and populate it with two buses!

Now to work on some sort of intelligent continuous construction

[Yexo]

W00t, no longer last, but it looks like I still have a couple of crash bugs to work out. Though on the GeekToo Rules-set, round 1, pool 1, match 1 my log just stops without a crash notice. Is there some kind of CPU limit getting tired of my crummy pathfinder?

Is it possible to get the graphs in the overview in UKP? at the moment they are in euros and the results page in pounds, confused me for a sec.

Just divide / multiply by 2. The internal values (and the values AIs use are in pounds, but the TJIP challenge works with euros. Probably it won't change.

I had a fiddle again last night and my AI can now build a route between two towns and populate it with two buses!

Now to work on some sort of intelligent continuous construction

Good. If you need any help/advice or just like to talk about NoAI, please join us as #openttd.noai

[Zutty]

Oooh a new tournament system. I like the rankings especially.

Edit: OH WAIT! I've just noticed its split into two parts now.

I LOVE the royal rumble of the tournament!! That's just crazy!

[TrueBrain]

W00t, no longer last, but it looks like I still have a couple of crash bugs to work out. Though on the GeekToo Rules-set, round 1, pool 1, match 1 my log just stops without a crash notice. Is there some kind of CPU limit getting tired of my crummy pathfinder?

Besides a fair-scheduler, nothing rates the CPU. So your AI can never just 'die', it either died on its own, or you didn't execute anything anymore

Is it possible to get the graphs in the overview in UKP? at the moment they are in euros and the results page in pounds, confused me for a sec.

Done for next time.

[saint]

If you need any help/advice or just like to talk about NoAI, please join us as #openttd.noai

Sounds like the reasons for me to find an IRC client are getting larger all the time. Ultimately I'll need a way to get on from within a network that blocks the default IRC port though

At the moment, I'm just trying to work out the best way to keep track of what routes my AI implements so if anyone has any hints for that, share away.

[Rubidium]

Just make sure your client supports SSL and use OFTCs SSL port (6697 IIRC).

[GeekToo]

I've updated Convoy to V 1.3, using the lib pathfinder V2. So when you run a tournament again, can you please use this one, iso ConvoyLib ( or use both, to be able to compare ).

http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=702108#p702108

The new tournament rules are a little harder for Convoy, as it is kind of modest, and keeps away from towns where other players already built a station. But we'll see how well it does now. I can always decide to perform some brain surgery, and remove that modesty

[TrueBrain]

The new tournament rules are a little harder for Convoy, as it is kind of modest, and keeps away from towns where other players already built a station. But we'll see how well it does now. I can always decide to perform some brain surgery, and remove that modesty

Better yet, make it optional!

[svetovoi]

I've made version of my AI working with library pathfinder.
Sign it in the tournament.

[paullb]

TrueLight,

would you be so kind as to use the v0.2 version of Jinjaba.

http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php? ... 58#p703058

[Ralph]

Are the maps used in the very hard set downloadable anywhere?

[Rubidium]

Currently the first two of the attached scenarios are used. The third is a variation of the first which should be harder than the first.

The ideas behind the scenarios:
scenario 1 (and 3): a flat map with primary industries at one side and the secondary at the other side of the map. The middle of the map floods slowly, so early roads will be broken. Secondly there is a very slow bridge in the middle and making a detour for most of the cargos via the outer bridges is advisable, but you need to make the road connection yourself. Furthermore the towns are big and dense making it harder to build big stations, especially airports. The secondary industries are placed with very limited space for stations, making it hard to service them. Finally the 'river' in the middle is just too long for a bridge to span it, but with a little terraforming you can build one.

scenario 2: map with non-standard CargoIDs, i.e. no coal and such. It furthermore is very hilly and rough and because building on slopes is disabled building roads (not to mention airports) is very hard until you start terraforming.

As you can see the maps were made to test AIs in the extreme cases instead of the fairly flat maps with building on slopes enabled as well as to handle removal of roads, industries and towns.