New Graphics - Blender ".blend" thread (Works In Progress)

Alltaken · Post by **Alltaken** » 08 Sep 2005 07:45

MeusH wrote: Here is attached image, which shows the official light+camera setup. You can see camera is looking too high, so changing lens from 240 to 40 makes my sprites render in the bottom part of the image.

could you please send me your file?

what you are saying you really shouldn't be doing. unless your building is "not inside the render" you should not even try changing a setting, especially a setting like Lens when Lens should not need to be touched, infact it would be wrong to touch it because it means you have then deactivated "ortho" mode, which you should have activated.

GORR3 wrote:I think you only need to scale down your model to fit camera's view by SKEY

hmmmm, all modeling should be done to blender units, the model shouldn't be changed down to fit the camera, the camera should be changed to fit the object (only if its multiple tiles).

the settings which can be changed (with care) are.

render size, X*Y 128x128 256*256 512*512 1024*1024 this is only done in conjunction with a camera 'scale' change.

a camera scale change needs to be done in conjunction with the 2 root of 2 table.

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MeusH · Post by **MeusH** » 08 Sep 2005 08:04

Here it is. In my opinion, empty.003 is just way too high.

Burschik · Post by **Burschik** » 08 Sep 2005 08:18

Alltaken wrote: hmmmm, all modeling should be done to blender units, the model shouldn't be changed down to fit the camera, the camera should be changed to fit the object (only if its multiple tiles).

Ah yes. Should the model be centred at the origin? How large should one tile be (in blender units)? And how exactly should I move the camera in order to fit more than one tile in the render window whithout changing any settings than should not be changed? Could you list the coordinates, for example, at which the camera should be positioned in order to render 2x2 and 3x3 tiles?

Cheers

dmh_mac · Post by **dmh_mac** » 08 Sep 2005 09:02

Meush, don't forget to use the latest blender version (2.37a), since there are changes to the camera making it true ortho instead of faked.

MeusH · Post by **MeusH** » 08 Sep 2005 20:17

The new blender works fine, but I still have problems with the camera positioning (too high!). Please take a look at the .zipped .blend file attached above and help me.

ThorRune wrote:
G0RR3 wrote:My current project is Oil Rig remodelling.
I'm having problems with it, because it's too huge and it takes too much time to edit and also to render. I'm making it with construction phases, only first two are completed. You can see my second phase finished as attachment and source of unfinished third (rendering it in full resolution would take hours on my PC), if you want it.
Sorry, but the constructions phrases are totally wrong. Oil rigs are made on land first, then towed out! It loogs good, but it can't be used

I've seen in TV magazine about water units, that one was about oil rigs.
Huge parts of the platform are originated from around the world, then they are being transported to its destination point using the biggest carriers and ship cranes.

The most important part is, that oil rig is not fixed to the sea bed!!! It is floating on the water and it uses powerful diesel engines to move if this is obligatory. Only the massive sea anchor is being dropped to the bottom.

So consider there are no concerte piles built into the ground below sea. Whole platform is floating!

Also there are no catwalk-like structures with flames at the end, as you could see in TT\TTD. Or at least not in the oil rigs present in TV

Red.xiii · Post by **Red.xiii** » 09 Sep 2005 07:46

Meush, i think you mean it is too 'high' because the object isn't in the center of the rendered output. I'm guessing this is for the buildings that are 2*1 or even 2*2 and have a large amount of floors or levels...

If thats not what you meant then sorry.

Anyway, rendered again with the official lighting setup, looks a lot better. Got bored so played with different colours

Red.xiii · Post by **Red.xiii** » 09 Sep 2005 07:49

And Again....

The light coloured bricks are Dmhs' orginal brick texture..

dmh_mac · Post by **dmh_mac** » 09 Sep 2005 11:15

Meush,

Move the empty (xyz thingy) along the z axis (select > press G > press Z > move mouse), preferably from the camera view for wysiwyg (numpad zero).

Dylan.Farrow,

Looking great. One suggestion; add some lines across the roof edges (see example). The different coloured bricks look great. Perhaps the colour overlay system could be used for this.

MeusH · Post by **MeusH** » 09 Sep 2005 17:50

Thank you dmh_mac, seems it is the only one idea.

Burschik · Post by **Burschik** » 10 Sep 2005 08:20

Q: What's this supposed to be?

A: Well, it's a 3x3 tile Battersea power station.

Q: Then why can't I see anything interesting?

A: On the one hand, I'm not supposed to scale the model to fit the camera, but on the other hand, no one seems to be willing or able to answer my questions about appropriate scale and camera positions. So I simply assumed a correspondence of 1 metre=1 blender unit and 25 blender units=1 tile length. When I move the camera, I only get a blank background, so I left it where it is.

dmh_mac · Post by **dmh_mac** » 10 Sep 2005 09:49

2×2 blender units = 1 tile = 25×25 meters

MeusH · Post by **MeusH** » 10 Sep 2005 09:59

Change camera scale to change the magnification.

Alltaken · Post by **Alltaken** » 10 Sep 2005 11:04

MeusH wrote:Change camera scale to change the magnification.

can someone please write a camera vs render size conversion table for this.

it needs to be to 4 decimal places using multiples of "root 2" and the multiplyer for that needs to be equal to the multiplier of the render settings.

these are pretty damn vital in getting renders correct.

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Burschik · Post by **Burschik** » 11 Sep 2005 13:32

Thanks for the tile size.

Here is a first attempt at a small Romanesque church.

Cheers

shampie · Post by **shampie** » 11 Sep 2005 16:03

Nice churche!
Do build in some more windows!

MeusH · Post by **MeusH** » 11 Sep 2005 19:42

A few tips, questions:

What are the topmost pillars doing up there? Do you know they are as high as a dog? These churches were really small.

Also I think some grass around would be a nice feature

Burschik · Post by **Burschik** » 12 Sep 2005 08:59

MeusH wrote:A few tips, questions:

What are the topmost pillars doing up there? Do you know they are as high as a dog? These churches were really small.

Also I think some grass around would be a nice feature

I assume you mean the pillars in the tower. That's supposed to be a kind of gallery. But maybe the whole building is too small.

Cheers

dmh_mac · Post by **dmh_mac** » 12 Sep 2005 09:15

I would suggest going for a more pronounced christian cross shape in the layout. Like this.
Also it needs a lot more detail and decoration.

dmh_mac · Post by **dmh_mac** » 12 Sep 2005 09:37

A little ugly paintover.

Don't know much about romanesque architecture so most of it is based on google image search stuff.

Burschik · Post by **Burschik** » 12 Sep 2005 11:58

dmh_mac wrote:I would suggest going for a more pronounced christian cross shape in the layout. Like this.
Also it needs a lot more detail and decoration.

I would say the layout is already perfectly cross-shaped (except for the fact that the apse is octagonal). But I agree that more detail and decoration are required. Your mockup is excellent, and I will pursue these suggestions. However, the result will likely be too large for one tile.

Regards

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