George's Long vehicles V4 beta4 is out (07 sep 2007)

[George]

2Snail:
I need the text for Inbus for http://ttd.cernun.net/newgrf/longbus.html

[Snail]

Ok, I'll try to write something maybe this evening, or tomorrow at worst. Can I post it here?
Did you manage to use my drawing of the 421? I can make the left part of the bus, too, using the same trick. Let me know!

[George]

Ok, I'll try to write something maybe this evening, or tomorrow at worst. Can I post it here?

Sure

Did you manage to use my drawing of the 421? I can make the left part of the bus, too, using the same trick. Let me know!

I didn't like your trick, because it confused me even more. For now I paused Fiat 421 and started Parkroyal Routemaster (RM2 is about 20% done now). I hope you'll find some drawing while I'm drawing RM2 and RMC and I'll continue working on Fiat 421.

2lws1984: Are you sure that RMC are in production till 2005? I thought they were build for about 10 years, and the ones, that go now are just that old ones, but repaired?
Also, could you make a text for that page too?

[Snail]

I hope you'll find some drawing while I'm drawing RM2 and RMC and I'll continue working on Fiat 421.

Ok. If I manage to find some original drawings of the 421 Cameri by the time you finish the RouteMaster I'll post them here, I doubt they'll be very different from my "trick" though. Otherwise we might only include the AL SEAC and the A BCF variants of the 421, for which you got the original drawings (I hope you understood that those two were original drawings, which I got from the transport companies themselves, so if you experience any incompatibilities, simply ignore the paperbus models and trust the drawings instead. Having just the SEAC and the BCF would be better than nothing.)

[lws1984]

2lws1984: Are you sure that RMC are in production till 2005? I thought they were build for about 10 years, and the ones, that go now are just that old ones, but repaired?
Also, could you make a text for that page too?

Actually, you are right, they were produced for 10 years, then simply repaired until 2005, when they are taken out of service. What do you mean by a text for that page?

[Snail]

Hi George, here's the text for the Inbus. I tried to sum up all of the main info and to keep it to the same size as the text you wrote for the Mercedes.
Anyway, feel free to cut some parts if you think it's too long, or tell me if you wanted something different.
If you wanna put a picture too, please do.

As for the 421, I think I found some original drawings for the Cameri version, but I don't have them just yet, I hope I will in a few days or so. So you can keep working on the RMC by the moment, and then tell me when you're ready to resume the work on the Fiat. Keep it up, I'd like to see those classical London buses in my games

Cheers!

text:
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The "Inbus" joint venture was created in Italy in the late Seventies, and included four firms (Breda, DeSimon, Siccar and Sofer) which put their efforts together in order to create an alternative to the widespread Iveco models in that country. The joint venture wouldn't last long, although it managed to produce a quite successful bus model: the Inbus U210FT and its siblings.
It was Siccar which produced the chassis for the bus, in three variants: the 12-meter "177", the shorter "181" and the 18-meter, articulated "383". The other three companies provided other parts, such as the bodywork, the interiors and other mechanic parts, except the engine, which was bought from Fiat and mounted in the rear (a quite new feature for that time, which allowed a lower pavement). The production consisted in three lines of buses with similar design and different sizes, and were named after their length: there was the "Inbus U210FT", the best-selling model built on the "177" chassis, the "Inbus U150FT" built on the "181" and the "Inbus AU280FT" built on the "383" chassis. The first prototypes of the U210FT and the U150FT were built in 1978 and the first buses were shipped in the following year: the articulated AU280FT was introduced some years later, and was the only one whose production went on for some time even after the joint venture collapsed. There were even suburban versions of all three models, names "S150FT", "S210FT", and "AS280FT", which featured more seating places and a higher top speed. At first, the "U210" model was equipped with a 208hp, 10.3 liter Fiat engine, which was replaced by a 203hp, 9.5 liter one by the same constructor after some time.
They proved to be very successful buses and were rapidly shipped to many cities around the country to replace the aging models from the Sixties, in both urban and suburban service. Some of these buses (especially the articulated ones) are still in service as of 2005.
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[George]

2lws1984: Are you sure that RMC are in production till 2005? I thought they were build for about 10 years, and the ones, that go now are just that old ones, but repaired?
Also, could you make a text for that page too?

Actually, you are right, they were produced for 10 years, then simply repaired until 2005, when they are taken out of service. What do you mean by a text for that page?

See the next post by Snail as for example, or some posts above with a link

[George]

Hi George, here's the text for the Inbus. I tried to sum up all of the main info and to keep it to the same size as the text you wrote for the Mercedes. Anyway, feel free to cut some parts if you think it's too long, or tell me if you wanted something different. If you wanna put a picture too, please do.

Thanks

As for the 421, I think I found some original drawings for the Cameri version, but I don't have them just yet, I hope I will in a few days or so. So you can keep working on the RMC by the moment, and then tell me when you're ready to resume the work on the Fiat. Keep it up, I'd like to see those classical London buses in my games

35% done

[George]

http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=13069

[lws1984]

Here is the text.
< text >
The Routemaster bus was built by AEC in England in 1958, as a replacement for the older London Busses. The bus was a big hit, with it's rear platform that allowed people to get on while the bus was stopped. In 1968, a version of the Routemaster was made for London's Green Line long-distance routes. This variant, called the Routemaster Coach, was painted green, had double headlamps, and electrically operated doors on the rear platform. They were produced for 10 years, and are used until 2005, when safety regulations meant that the Routemaster had to be drawn out of service.

[George]

Here is the text.

Thanks. RM2 is 75% done

[SHADOW-XIII]

Geroge some things about latest buses (Praga, Tatra, etc)
I know it is not your work but:
- too much plain white, too much plain red ... doesn't look nice
- coding is wrong ? all those buses (in ~1944) are 500k DM (comparing to Opel for 11k)
- I think also need resizing

anyway great update .. I was missing passenger road vehicles in early stage

[George]

too much plain white, too much plain red ... doesn't look nice

Tell it Greyfur, but he is working on it. As you can see, Tatra 24/58, Praga NO, Skoda 505 were already improved a little and a work is in progress

coding is wrong ? all those buses (in ~1944) are 500k DM (comparing to Opel for 11k)

some of the characteristics are coded as FF. It means we did not make a decision about them yet. Greyfur said that he will make a list of suggested costs and running costs later

I think also need resizing

I made my templates for it. Greyfur said he will use them to improve the proportions. Unfortunaly, my experience in improving someones work is not a very good idea and takes a lot of time. So, I shall not do anything with his graphics. But I'll do all the coding for the set

anyway great update .. I was missing passenger road vehicles in early stage

Say thanks to Greyfur. Hope DanMacK will also take part in creating new vehicles.

[DanMacK]

When I get the chance George, sure. I haven't had much of a chance to work on much the last couple days, but I hope to get the remainder of the buses done at some point in the next couple of weeks.

I may also start working on Mack Trucks for the 1920-1940 period. Your Ford Model T trucks are just too danged small

[Snail]

Hi George!

With the introduction of those early coach buses, I guess what we need now are some city buses before 1950. How about putting some Renault models, which were long and heavily used in French cities (including Paris)?

Here are some pics:
http://www.amtuir.org/musee/collection/ ... 54_jbp.jpg
http://www.amtuir.org/musee/collection/ ... 89_jbp.jpg
http://www.amtuir.org/musee/collection/ ... ta_1_3.jpg

This model (the Renault TN6A) was built from 1932 to the late Thirties and was a big success, as the last units were set aside in the mid Sixties. If you're interested, I'll start looking for some drawings (it might be quite hard to find any though).

[Wile E. Coyote]

I started to draw some Serbian road vehicles. I made 3 buses from 1990's. That will be part of future Serbian road vehicles set. They fit to George's measurements:

[George]

With your high activity I'd need to start LV v4 much faster because we'd run out of IDs in LV v3 then. This means we all have to ask Josef to focus his work on creating callbacks.

2Josef:
PLEASE, could you focus your efforts on callbacks? That would help us to fit in with IDs. We'd could put more vehicles on the one ID. That would be especially useful for buses. PLEASE, help us

[George]

I started to draw some Serbian road vehicles. I made 3 buses from 1990's. That will be part of future Serbian road vehicles set. They fit to George's measurements:

From the first look they are a bit bigger, than my buses Could you send them to me?
I'd also suggest to include them into LV set for now.

[Wile E. Coyote]

Of course include them , I made couple more (but I haven't coded them yet). Maybe they are bigger for some pixels, I tried to use your measurements (3,3 px per 1 m) and I don't know am I succeeded . Here they are:

[Greyfur]

- too much plain white, too much plain red ... doesn't look nice

The citybuses in CS, from where these buses come from, were always in white (cream) - red. I will try to change it a little, but more important now is the resizing. I am focusing on that right now.

coding is wrong ? all those buses (in ~1944) are 500k DM (comparing to Opel for 11k)

I gave George some technical data, but some data was missing. The problems were by speed, running cost and the price, where George used max. values, until I gave him the requied data. I will send it to him today from work

- I think also need resizing

The resizing will be done continuingly, as soon as I will have something resized, I will send it to George.

anyway great update .. I was missing passenger road vehicles in early stage

Thanks for feedback, I will propably do some more vehicles from early 20ies (around the years 1921-24) from prague and maybe some more buses like walter PN (a very small bus) - beginning thirties, or some MAN / Bussing buses from around WW II. But I will do the resizing first.