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Give us some examples of shopping malls built on top of a railway station in Britain that are successful and people enjoy. And I'm not talking about places like St Pancras that are built for railway passengers, but rather places that are built as a piece of the town centre.

The Roads needed a Massive investment in the 1960's - 1990's, that's when the Motorways came about, our road network before then was Appalling, imagine having to go through major city centres to get from London to Glasgow or Edinburgh. Without Motorways these journeys would have taken nearly 10 hours, with the M1 and M6 that is reduced by 3 and a Half hours. The Train is still quicker taking around 4 hours. And these Projects that I point out are all started in in some shape or form. In fact Rail spending has been a lot higher recently than in the Past. We have the Airdrie - Bathgate route re-opened and that is a great success. The Government is getting it's faith back in the Railways and putting more money into it. But, at the minute, that cannot be much. This Country, if you might not of noticed, is just starting to come out of a recession. What you are suggesting would put A LOT of strain on Money and probably put us back in one.

And, Dave, I have to agree, Moor Street is the Best Station in Birmingham, and I don't think it gets the credit it deserves.

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5,000th Post 22/01/13 at 9:56 pm
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Those stations will only need at most another 50% more space, that can be done underground and like I said, if city centres can be rebuilt for the car, they can be rebuilt for the train



The onces that were built were rubbish, but Westfield Stratford City is very good and it is very close to the GEML



Lets make it clear, what the government should have done is nothing for the roads and invest hugely into the railways, then people would get out of their cars and into the railways again, not only would there have been less need to build motorways over rural areas, but it mean that we would less need of the car in the first place!

There is a huge amount of money put into the railways, but if BR was still around then there would have been even better improvements (due to less waste) with the same money, imagine what would happen if they had even more money?

As for the recession, you have clearky forgot that HUNDRED'S OF BILLION'S of pounds is being stolen from the government via tax evasion and avoidance, there is money, but the rich are holding onto nearly all of it, investment like rail investments can grow the economy and create new jobs

Liverpool Central?

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IF there was hundreds of billions of pounds being "stolen" (there aren't), you can't seriously be suggesting that all of it be invested in railways? Just looking out my window I can see a hundred things that could use the money a lot more urgently than the railways, not least the local hospital...

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Alan, please invest in a spell checker for your internet browser. Your posts are not only excruciatingly painful (not to mention entertaining) to read for the content, but also for the grammar.

Good answer.
As for Westfield Stratford, that's not built on top of the station like you propose. As a general rule if you put a (excuse the norfolkism) Gret ole building on top of a station it becomes a dump. Sunderland, New Street, Snow Hill and many others are testament to that, they're generally dingy, unsavoury and uninviting.

Add to that list, Cannon Street and Charing Cross, they look impressive from the outside but the interiors are drab and dull.

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Alan, What your proposing is to Replace all roads with railways?

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True, Liverpool Central is good. But when both the lines are deep level, it's difficult to do that with something like New Street!

It's just about acceptable now they've tarted up the circulating area at the top of the escalators, but I wasn't making a serious suggestion. Much like New Street, the platform area is cramped and suffers from a lack of light. Considering the fact that 50% of the services arriving from the North on the Northern Line platforms termainate and reverse, it could really do with an extra pair of platforms... just a shame they didn't anticipate such rises in passenger numbers when they built it.

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Ah I was thinking more of the shopping area above it. The platform is a dump, as you said. Reminds me of my local subway station in Kyoto.

Merseytravel really need to get rid of all that 70s-style yellow and brown panelling in the underground stations. The Jet-black flooring doesn't help the atmosphere either. At least the Kyoto station has better lighting and colour scheme- looks very 80s, rather than 70s!

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There is a lot of tax evasion and avoidance in the UK (and other nations) and I proposed spending it on all public services



Well we have to wait and see if we even need to rebuild our city centres in the first place, but there are ways of improving the look of those types of stations

How about using it to reduce the tax rate altogether (without having to cut other things), so that ordinary people have more money in their pockets to spend in the economy?

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You say you want to improve the appearance of certain stations then talk about building others UNDERGROUND!

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Oh, there's no doubt that there is a lot of tax avoidance, but I highly doubt that it's to the tune of e hundreds of billions of pounds you claim it to be.

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Anyway enough of this rubbish, real world stuff is happening:
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/News/Dundee ... ation.html

Now, I don't think you'll find a single person who likes the existing station but I can't say I'm a fan of the proposal here either...
The platforms need just as much work as the concourse, I assume they're listed by cleaning some of the pigeon guano away and maybe glazing over the cutting to make it more of an enclosed space rather than a damp windy tube that is more suitable as a wind tunnel for F1 teams may not go amiss...
At least they're getting rid of the game you can play where you watch the non-regulars try and spot where the doors from the platform into the ticket hall are!

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This just struck me, if you bulldoze Birmingham city centre for more railways, relocating all the shops, there would be far less need for acees to Birmingham city centre. There'd just be several bloody great stations.

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I made that point, Alan Fry seems to think that you'd only need to make the existing stations 50% larger in any city centre.
In the case of New Street it could do with that just to accommodate the existing services.

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Sorry, missed that bit! Probably wiping the tears from my eyes from catching up with this topic

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