Dutch stations set

FooBar · **Posted:** Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:21 pm

Klaasgras wrote:

Im sorry I cant draw or code

Maybe a good time to learn it! Buildings are probably much easier than vehicles, especially as they need only 2 views!

Klaasgras · **Posted:** Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:40 pm

FooBar wrote:

Klaasgras wrote:

Im sorry I cant draw or code

Maybe a good time to learn it! Buildings are probably much easier than vehicles, especially as they need only 2 views!

I know!

Is there a tutorial about drawing buildings? If I will get to drawing, I will stick to buildings

jor[D]1 · **Posted:** Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:50 pm

How does this look like as brick platform?

Purno · **Posted:** Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:46 pm

jor[D]1 wrote:

How does this look like as brick platform?

Need a real-life pic to compare, the sprite itself looks good.

However, if we're using two kinds of platforms, it'd roughly double the amount of sprites we get, since you can't really combine the two platforms together in one station (well, you can, but in most cases it won't look really pretty), so both platform types should have the basic tiles like a tunnel, benches, shelter, roof, overpass, timetable, etc.

Which may be a good time to draw older tunnels, benches, shelters, roofs, overpasses, timetables, etc, since all the current stuff is based upon the modern station furniture.

jor[D]1 · **Posted:** Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:17 pm

Purno wrote:

jor[D]1 wrote:

How does this look like as brick platform?

Need a real-life pic to compare, the sprite itself looks good.

However, if we're using two kinds of platforms, it'd roughly double the amount of sprites we get, since you can't really combine the two platforms together in one station (well, you can, but in most cases it won't look really pretty), so both platform types should have the basic tiles like a tunnel, benches, shelter, roof, overpass, timetable, etc.

Which may be a good time to draw older tunnels, benches, shelters, roofs, overpasses, timetables, etc, since all the current stuff is based upon the modern station furniture.

Real pictures are ale black and white.
This picture taken at the VSM railway heritage museum comes closest I think:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/arthur-a/4982058945/

Off course things as overpasses etc. have to be added. Tunnels are not nice for prewar stations I think. After the WW2 most stations were made of concrete, and are pretty much covered by the current set. Only some key postwar station buildings like the sextant (not sure, maybe it is in) and type douma are missing.

Edit: something like the canadian set will be nice, in early times brick platforms, later concrete.

ZxBiohazardZx · **Posted:** Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:31 pm

id say its a tad too red, a bit more grey would be better i guess?

jor[D]1 · **Posted:** Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:45 pm

The problem with mor gray is that you will get a brown color, but "klinkers" are more red/purple.

I was aiming for something like this:

But, this can also have been used in real:

Going to try the more brown bricks later this evening, but I think they will look wood.

Purno · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:32 am

Xeryus agreed with GPL, so we can use his code

XeryusTC wrote:

I'm fine with it. Although for newgrfs it might be more beneficial to go with a creative commons license.

EDIT: Zimmlock too;

Zimmlock wrote:

Sure i do agree, all my work is made for the community and so the community is free to use it.

Purno · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:01 am

KasperVld wrote:

If you could implement the Rotterdam Centraal design that would be awesome, seeing as Utrecht, Amsterdam etc.. roofs are already implemented

edit: best overview of the new Rotterdam CS station design I could find:
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9 ... I31cwO&t=1

Looks nice, but would need better pictures. Seems like a nice modern big roof as opposed to Amsterdam's old style. Would be a nice addition. Utrecht was mainly added to have modern roofs as small parts (for the smaller stations). Though I wouldn't mind adding a few other styles as well. Examples are always welcome, maybe I'll go hunt for some pictures too

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Overpass should go both ways, maybe also in Rotterdam Centraal Station style (darker / with escalators)

The over pass goes both ways if you connect two overpasses together. I kinda like this flexibility.
I don't know Rotterdam Centraal's overpasses. Picture please?

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OV-Chipkaart gates and poles / information and emergency poles

Nice, OV-Chipcard gates would be nice, but we'll have to figure out how to design them in away which offers flexibility in station design.

Information poles will probably be best of as an additional detail on other tiles, probably not worth their own station-tile.

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Station name signs without the stairs thingies

Agreed.

Klaasgras wrote:

Another nice feature would be some station buildings.

Agreed, I especially would like on-platform station buildings similar to Michael Blunck's NewStations. I almost never use the non-station tiles.

Klaasgras wrote:

I know!

Is there a tutorial about drawing buildings? If I will get to drawing, I will stick to buildings

Not really. If you're already familiar with the light effects, shading, palette and dimensions, you've got a good base. I'd recommend starting with something small. Most of the platform tiles I drew are made up of smaller parts. Drawing Hilversum station was a pain in the ass, so I really wouldn't recommend starting with something huge as that one.

EDIT: Now the Dutch Trainset also includes metro, it might be nice making some metro-specific station tiles as well.

SwissFan91 · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:28 am

I think a must-have are some half platforms. These are really useful in many OTTD games for me.

Purno · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:31 am

Define "half platforms"?

Also, I did some photo-hunting

Examples of station roofs;
Breda Prinsenbeek, this design is quite typical for the smaller stations which do have some kind of station building for a small shop.
Maastricht, typical cheap and ugly concrete roofs.
Vlissingen, not saying I like it, but it's .... well... different.
Lelystad, quite typical as well.

Examples of station furniture;
Krabbendijke, typical bicycle rack.

Examples of station buildings;
Anna Paulowna, boring, simple, stupid but common.
Ermelo, mid-platform station building with extended roof.
Oldenzaal, another ugly but common type of building, could be used mid-platform as well.

Other stuff;
Roosendaal, old signal-box

There's a lot of other station buildings, though most of them are too big for mid-platform. Plenty of pics at RailFanEurope and plenty of styles to pick from. I don't wish for specific ones, so I let the artist choose

SwissFan91 · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:37 am

In this screenshot.? I think, complete with half-buffers and half-overpasses, this would be a great addition.

FooBar · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:45 am

Old and new pictures of almost any Dutch station here: http://www.stationsweb.nl/

Purno · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:17 pm

SwissFan91 wrote:

In this screenshot.? I think, complete with half-buffers and half-overpasses, this would be a great addition.

Aye, those kind of stations. Not too fond of them myself, but they do become more and more popular.
It would only need a few more extra sprites in case of footbridges, but for the other types of station tiles it looks like it's just being replaced by emptiness. I guess codewise it involves a tad more though. :mrgreen:

FooBar · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:27 pm

Yes, these single-sided platforms are the best. Looks so much more realistic, especially as in NL we hardy have any tracks with a platform on both sides. Bar the occasional 'zakspoor'

But given the occasional zakspoor, this set IMO should provide both flavours, so that you can build anything you want

KasperVld · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:46 pm

Picture of the new Rotterdam Centraal, shows the staircase overpass with escalators, and a glimpse of what the roof looks like from the inside

source: click

jor[D]1 · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:59 pm

That is a temporary structure. I think the overpass of hilversum media park/noord. (more commonly used in NL) is a very nice example to include.

Link:http://www.stationsweb.nl/station.asp?station=hilversumnoord

If we continue in the Dutch railway furniture topic maybe it's better to lock this one.

KasperVld · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:24 pm

jor[D]1 wrote:

That is a temporary structure. I think the overpass of hilversum media park/noord. (more commonly used in NL) is a very nice example to include.

Link:http://www.stationsweb.nl/station.asp?station=hilversumnoord

If we continue in the Dutch railway furniture topic maybe it's better to lock this one.

That overpass is not temporary, it was the 'first piece' of the new Rotterdam Centraal to be completed and will remain there. Considering the multiple styles of roofs they could easily co-exist: this one would be a 'modern' overpass, the Hilversum one could be an older one

jor[D]1 · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:42 pm

Draw some old platforms.

Lights, benched versions etc. all still need to be made.

A brick and wood platform.
Brick soemthing like 1890-1950 wood pre 1890???

If it is possible I would like to continue this set.

ZxBiohazardZx · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:03 pm

As far as i remember the dutch platforms where quite useable (though i think 1 of the stair orientations was looking odd) though it lacked some of the "non-track" tiles. there where some stations, but it lacked a few more generic uses ones (eg the HS style buildings with brickwork detailed entrances like Den Haag HS,

or Amsterdam CS:

or in the same style, but not even near lastly mentioned: Groningen

all those stations have a similar style brick buidling, that i think should be added

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