NML - a Newgrf Meta Language

[frosch]

Looks like you are using NML 0.2. Currently we are about to release 0.4.1.
Get a new NML from here: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/push/LATEST/

[planetmaker]

NML 0.4.1 released

This release is a bug-fix release aimed mostly for the package maintainers. Thanks goes mostly to frosch who did most of the fixes.

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0.4.1 (2015-04-12)
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- Add: second_rocky_tileset
- Add: Build-in function 'getbits'
- Change: Try to improve packaging by applying some in-built automatisms via find_package() (oberhumer) (issue #7540)
- Fix: Building source bundle was broken
- Fix: Version identification for tags
- Doc: Update readme with python version info
- Cleanup: Remove pre-OpenTTD-1.1 wrappers for SHIFT_LEFT, SHIFT_RIGHT and SHIFTU_RIGHT.
- Cleanup: Remove bootstrap

As usual, get it from the DevZone's bundle server:
This release: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/releases/0.4.1/
Latest development release: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/push/LATEST/

[MinchinWeb]

Has the option of posting NML to pypi ever been considered? It seems you need a working Python installation to use NML anyway, so would not installation at that point via pip would be fairly simple?

[planetmaker]

Has the option of posting NML to pypi ever been considered? It seems you need a working Python installation to use NML anyway, so would not installation at that point via pip would be fairly simple?

Yes.
It's on my list of things to figure out. Mostly it seems to need some (not so trivial) changes to the build process.
And it needs figuring out the password to the nml account which obviously was created ages ago by people who are not around anymore.

[abregado]

Looks like you are using NML 0.2. Currently we are about to release 0.4.1.
Get a new NML from here: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/push/LATEST/

Yes it seems somehow I ended up with 0.2.0.
Install 0.4.1 and now Im back to python3 issues! haha

Also, you probably know this but the documentation in a lot of places still says NML is not python3 compatible
https://pythonhosted.org/nml/nml-language.html

Also, in the README it says that there is a setup.py but I couldnt find it in the tarball.

[abregado]

actually I found it. I had the x86_64.tar which doesn't include the setup.py

[planetmaker]

Looks like you are using NML 0.2. Currently we are about to release 0.4.1.
Get a new NML from here: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/push/LATEST/

Yes it seems somehow I ended up with 0.2.0.
Install 0.4.1 and now Im back to python3 issues! haha

Also, you probably know this but the documentation in a lot of places still says NML is not python3 compatible
https://pythonhosted.org/nml/nml-language.html

Also, in the README it says that there is a setup.py but I couldnt find it in the tarball.

The documentation you link is as old as the nml you seem to have gotten - an unmaintained old version. The official documentation is at our NewGRF wiki: http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Main and the one shipped with NML itself within the readme and man page. The official download location, the only one which is updated by us directly, is our DevZone's bundle server: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/releases/0.4.1/

As to setup.py, it is in the source release: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/rele ... 4.1.tar.gz and not needed for the other binary releases.

[abregado]

Yeah I read through the old documentation and followed those steps before I started, which is where I was lead astray. Its all good now, I've gotten it working. Thanks for your help.

[3iff]

I'm using NML 0.4.0 in a windows console.

When compiling, I always get lots of <[K (where the < is actually a left arrow).

Is this because the windows console can't handle the escape codes? I'm not worried because it compiles fine, it's just one thing that bugs me a bit...but I can live with it.

[frosch]

Those are ANSI control characters, which make the output look nice on unixy systems. Noone bothered to make it look nice on windows. They cause no harm though.

[Eddi]

i suppose windows at some point forgot the ability to interpret ANSI codes, and replaced it with their proprietary garbage.

[3iff]

i suppose windows at some point forgot the ability to interpret ANSI codes, and replaced it with their proprietary garbage.

I think it's that exactly. I wasn't overly concerned, just curious... It's been churning out those characters for months and only my programming mistakes were throwing out errors.

[TadeuszD]

I'm using Windows console (cmd.exe) too. These ANSI codes looks strange...
The new parameter to disable colours in nml compiler output will be nice feature.

[planetmaker]

I'm using Windows console (cmd.exe) too. These ANSI codes looks strange...
The new parameter to disable colours in nml compiler output will be nice feature.

I pushed a small change which checks for the presence of a posix platform when using the colour codes. Thus maybe it's solved with today's nightly

[3iff]

Finally got around to trying this...NML version 5655.

←[K nmlc info: 0 sprites, 0 cached, 0 orphaned, 0 duplicates, 0 newly encoded (native)
←[K nmlc info: Town names: 22/128
←[Kting output ...←[KK

I'm still getting the control codes. It's NOT a problem but I thought I should update you.

[Wahazar]

I have newgrf with many vehicles, vehicle own names are stored in separate strings and does not need to be translated and bug out translators.
Is it possible to make them 'invisible' for translation system?

[planetmaker]

I have newgrf with many vehicles, vehicle own names are stored in separate strings and does not need to be translated and bug out translators.
Is it possible to make them 'invisible' for translation system?

No, that's not (easily) possible. Also it's easy for a translator to just click 'copy' and be done with it.

[Eddi]

the not-easy way would be to split the lang file into two, one translatable and one not, and join them on compilation, then point the translator tool only to one of the files.

[GarryG]

Wonder if this right place to ask. Been trying to learn how to use the NML. Managed to make a Town Names, but not having much luck learning to do any thing else. I like to try doing either Objects or a Industry.

I been trying to under stand the NML Tutorial, but afraid not having much luck. I tried months ago to make railway graphics but unsuccessful even with the image blown out 4 times it normal size as so pixelated.

So I thinking maybe try drawing building graphics be easier as they larger.

Wonder if anyone there could make me up a simple program to include a NML file, lang file and one or two sprites so I can try get the gist of it for Industry and Object.

Or if I make some graphics can someone code them for me?

Thank you kindly

[planetmaker]

Wonder if this right place to ask. Been trying to learn how to use the NML. Managed to make a Town Names, but not having much luck learning to do any thing else. I like to try doing either Objects or a Industry.

I been trying to under stand the NML Tutorial, but afraid not having much luck. I tried months ago to make railway graphics but unsuccessful even with the image blown out 4 times it normal size as so pixelated.

So I thinking maybe try drawing building graphics be easier as they larger.

Wonder if anyone there could make me up a simple program to include a NML file, lang file and one or two sprites so I can try get the gist of it for Industry and Object.

Or if I make some graphics can someone code them for me?

Thank you kindly

This is the thread for asking questions on how to use NML specifically, about programming in NML or problems installing it - not a "looking for coder" or "how to create graphics". The make-nml repository on the DevZone contains a very simplistic one-sprite NewGRF, so you might want to checkout that repo. Alternatively get any other simple one. OpenGFX+Landscape is big, but has a few simple objects included as well, each in its own source file. Objects can, however, take many forms and shapes, so it highly depends on what you want to make. OpenGFX+Industries has many industries, but is not exactly complicated either, also well-structured.