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Ive known people to live in Eastbourne and work in London, yet that isn't in a zone.

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But it is under the former NSE zone

NSE zone? There were no zones under NSE. You're talking crap again.

There's a NSE area, but that was an arbitrary area that was operated by NSE.

Plus there are people now that live in Paris and New York and work in London. Let's make those zones too! Because Alan Fry says so and he knows more about everything than all the managers in ATOC or any of the TOCs.

When I mean the "NSE Zone" I mean the area formaly served by NSE, which served the entire London Metro Area, they should be included under the TFL Zones

My Dad travels from north of Norwich to London to work, I think he should be able to do that on an oyster card.

Oh no wait, that's ridiculous. London is anything within the M25 give or take a bit here and there. You can't just extrapolate it out because some bloke lives outwith that. You've got to draw a line somewhere.

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NSE never served Norwich or anywere beyond Ipswich on the GEML and anyway London extendeds are beyond the M25, remeber the London Communter Belt?

But why are you limiting it to the former NSE area then?

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NSE used to operate to Penzance and Paignton. Seeing that it takes 6 and a half hours to Penzance from Waterloo, I don't think the NSE area is necessary a fantastic boundary...

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I'm sure those London commuters wouldn't take kindly to being called Comunters. Or even being called Londoners. Ask anyone from anywhere in the commuter belt where they live, and they won't say London!

Ameecher, Andel, Vassie and I certainly don't live in London! And the majority of transport movements in their area don't go into London - they're local. Extending the zones to regions where London is not the automatic destination for shopping/entertainment/work (far less than 25% of Cambridge residents work in London) is stupid. You're the only one who wants it that way.

They don't live in London becuase those areas are not part of London itself as of jet, but as house prices rise, more and more Londoners will move well beyond the M25 and into the rest of the South East of England, pretty soon a lot more that 25% of Cambridge residents will be working in London

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Successive governments have continued to boost London at the expense of the rest of the country, and our economy is now overly reliant on London which is bursting at the seams. Compare the UK with Germany, which has a federal system with each 'State' having a regional government and control of it's own budgets for things like transport and infrastructure. North-Rhine/Westfalia alone has something like the 5th highest GDP per capita in Europe, and Germany handled reunification with the East far more smoothly (though not so smooth really) than the UK economy would be able to cope with a similar major event (Scottish independance for example) because the areas of economic activity were spread out. Berlin suffered A LOT with the effects of reunification, having been divided, but because Germany wasn't overly dependant on its capital city (be it Berlin or Bonn) it was able to absorb those shocks. Because we have a situation in the UK where London effectively subsidises large areas of the North (and this mainly because the North has been starved of investment) it means that London will always take priority for investment, because if London suffers, the rest of the country no longer has the ability, infrastructure or skills-set to pick up the slack.

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I partly agree with that, but I've been doing a lot of reading recently on government policy over the decades to rebalance the economy. The truth is that while a sheer amount of money has gone into attempting to give the North a boost and discourage businesses from locating in the south, the SE's history of services and finance as opposed to manufacturing allowed it to speed ahead in the 1980s. We live in a global economy where governments have comparatively little power to influence what goes on now (compared to the 1960s), and businesses will not choose to locate in the north if they can receive more benefits from being in the south. It's nowadays very difficult politically to pay a Japanese company several tens of thousand pounds per new job they create in a factory, when you know they'll just run away after 10 years to Eastern Europe or China (as happened in South Wales).

Technically what's eventually meant to happen is that as the south gets so congested, the negative factors outweigh the positive ones and firms move out. However vast amount of investment has rightly gone into alleviating such congestion (imagine what would happen if we didn't have Thameslink, the Victoria line, Jubilee line + extension, DLR, Overground or about 1/3 less tube trains on each line) that the congestion disadvantages have been overcome.

For the sake for your argument we'll pretend that he doesn't then!

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Is he no longer in High Wycombe? My bad!

Of course. And the same thing happened in the North East, and in South Yorkshire: They closed the collieries and steelworks, and gave incentives to the newly-privatised utility firms (BT and British Gas for example) to set up call centres in places like Newcastle and Sheffield. Fast forward 10 years, and those call centres have relocated to Bangalore!

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I fell that London should annex the surrounding Communter Belt to add breathing space for its population, I feelthat if Scotland goes it along, the rest of the Uk will break off

What do you mean? There's plenty of space within London that can be redeveloped. Just look at what's going on in Stratford at the moment.

If people want to leave London, they can bog off to other places. Plus there's a green belt to worry out.

Do you know what, that is exactly what I want to do when I finish my apprenticeship, and live in sunny South Wales, so I can get away from all these "rumours".

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