Alan, In all seriousness, your views scream of that of someone who is fed up to the back teeth with government. We all are, But bringing arguments or discussions to the table with no proof, no research and saying the same thing over and over and over and over just makes you seem stupid.
Go away, do some research (like I have to do), and then come back to us with your findings. If you come back with sweet FA we'll just carry on.
I can tell you now that for the level of investment needed in our Railways, everyone would have to pay thousands of pounds in taxes - which they won't as it's a recession, and people would probably still drive as it's more convenient and it's faster. I know, I can't drive, but I would if I could.
I have done some research, but I need to see the state of the railways for myself (merly traveling on it is only part of it)
Most of the investment will come from proceeds from tax evasion and avoidance (past and present) alogn with road charging
But you are right, the level of investment needed is quite a lot
all road charging will do is see you either have a single bout in office or so many calls for you to resign you would be buried under the sheer number.
Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Europe, even America
Anyway, I will plan to scrap Fuel and Road Tax in return
Citation? Has anyone used road pricing to do this before? It would have to be very punitive to force modal shift, and would constitute an unfair tax on those unable to use rail.
I want to see statistically significant evidence too.
I am using Road Pricing to invest into transport, that has happened of a number of places
Dave W wrote:
You need to see whats on the ground as well
Geo Ghost wrote:
Right, so you try to entice people to go by rail by making it cheaper and making the roads worse? Wow.... just, wow.
Plus where is your proof of all these statistics and such you say about? We're still waiting. or can you not provide them because they are just made up?
What experience have you even had in these fields?
Actually you know what, don't answer that. I think I'm more likely to believe there's a black-hole in our bath over what ever you say now.
Look in Japan, Europe, Korea, Taiwan, and even America
Also its clear that people care about value for money, so they would pick the better cheaper service
Road charging set at what point?
Give me a case study of a case where investing in the railways substantially while implementing road charging has caused a HUGE modal shift to rail. Alternatively, show us the models, of which the MOST BASIC model should at least consider calculating the price elasticity of both car and rail travel, as well as the destinations of where people want to go. And don't say it's impossible, because the TOCs and people who are ACTUALLY involved in constructing such policy do.
You haven't shown me a single gram of proof yet.
Road Charging set at a point that is makes driving (when competing with rail) more expensive than rail
As for investing into the railways, look at Japan, Europe and even America
There are also a number of examples of road charging and major investment into transport (London for example)