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krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 06 Mar 2004 21:51

You really think it would be 80% of the work to replicate the Patch? I would think it would be so much easier, because all the code is right there. Like, you don't have to go hunting through the data and memory structures to find the right parameter to tweak. And altering the GUI has gotta be tons simpler.

Of course, easy for me to say, I don't do C, just Java. I'm sure it will happen over time, as this OpenTTD offers much more scope for all the things that were impossible even with the Patch. I bet extra-tall bridges put in an early appearance, for one thing.

Born Acorn · Post by **Born Acorn** » 06 Mar 2004 21:58

80%!

Killer 11 · Post by **Killer 11** » 06 Mar 2004 22:07

And altering the GUI has gotta be tons simpler.

Yep just ope GUI.H everything is there!

Also in directory TABLE is all information about objects i think.

Bart · Post by **Bart** » 06 Mar 2004 22:13

This is big. I think at least the guys from TTU have to stop working on their project, and start working on this. I know plurarity(? - diversity - ) is good, but this is much better!

Post by **orudge** » 06 Mar 2004 22:46

krtaylor wrote:Of course, easy for me to say, I don't do C, just Java. I'm sure it will happen over time, as this OpenTTD offers much more scope for all the things that were impossible even with the Patch. I bet extra-tall bridges put in an early appearance, for one thing.

Certain data structures are still limited of course, but it's now not so difficult to extend these limits. I'm currently trying to figure everything out, so expect to see some new things from me soon.

I've just got the latest source from Ludde, BTW, so I'll be comparing that with my current source and seeing what's different.

CobraA1 · Post by **CobraA1** » 06 Mar 2004 22:53

One thing that should happen is that we should try to make things more OO-like and modular. All of those tables should be moved out of the code, and into files that can be edited in some sort of editor.

Post by **orudge** » 06 Mar 2004 23:04

Hmmm, Ludde seems to have started implementing presignal support into his latest build. All the new files, including a new EXE, are at http://openttd.tt-forums.net/.

EDIT: Hmmm, I can't connect to the FTP server. See the new topic I've just (I'm going to) post.

Roman · Post by **Roman** » 06 Mar 2004 23:09

First I have to say: RESPECT!

What an awesome work!!! It must have taken loads of hours to do that! BTW, who's Ludde? Has he been around here yet?

Well, after quite a number of trying-to-find-words minutes I'm able to close my mouth again.

Absolutely incredible!

I'm beginning to feel sorry for all the patch makers somehow... it seems their work's going to find an end if OpenTTD will be able to maintain it's position. Well, regardless of what's going to happen: Thank you guys!!!

Born Acorn · Post by **Born Acorn** » 06 Mar 2004 23:53

apparantly Ludde stopped working on it ages ago and this is Owen releasing it himself.

Post by **orudge** » 07 Mar 2004 00:00

With Ludde's permission, of course. Otherwise, it would probably have just sat there for ages and ages...

Born Acorn · Post by **Born Acorn** » 07 Mar 2004 00:02

until the year 4000, when aliens uncover you comp and play, become addicted and start development on ttd2

Who here knows C?

I don't but I can help with scenarios and some graphics.

Im thinking a few 'megarail' type scenarios, where you own an unprofitable company and have to turn it around or something.

mikeya · Post by **mikeya** » 07 Mar 2004 00:09

Why doesn't Ludde come here ?

Roman · Post by **Roman** » 07 Mar 2004 00:11

That one I'd like to know too. Have we met him yet? Maybe with a different name?

Born Acorn · Post by **Born Acorn** » 07 Mar 2004 00:18

he stopped working on this ages ago, its just that owen asked him permission since he had a copy and we are now wondered about it all.

Post by **orudge** » 07 Mar 2004 00:19

Not that I know of. According to the ScummVM web site, Ludde's real name is Ludvig Strigeus.

Roman · Post by **Roman** » 07 Mar 2004 00:21

Why do you know? Did you know about it? And why didn't Ludde release it officially then?

(A lot of questions, I know, but this makes me really curious now...

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Born Acorn · Post by **Born Acorn** » 07 Mar 2004 00:23

because eits only 95% finished?

Post by **orudge** » 07 Mar 2004 00:31

Lord wrote:Why do you know? Did you know about it? And why didn't Ludde release it officially then?

Well, back on the 6th March 2003, I was using ICQ (more specifically Trillian), when a message popped up:

Ludde wrote: Session Start (ICQ - 125455765:[icq number]): Thu Mar 06 17:07:58 2003
[icq number]: hello,
you probably don't know me, but i've been working on reverse engineering ttd for a while.

And it all started from there.

[...]
Ludde: I'd also appreciate if you don't talk about it with people.
Owen Rudge: I won't
Ludde: cause i'd like to remain private at this moment.
[...]
Owen Rudge: How long has it taken you to do all this?
Owen Rudge: I'm imagining quite a while!
Ludde: i started in june
Ludde: i'm also the original author of scummvm, if you've heard about that.

Ludde didn't want to tell anyone about it because of the possible legal implications. As Atari, etc, don't seem to care about TTD any more though, he's decided he will make it public, only he never got around to it, so I offered to do it for him.

Roman · Post by **Roman** » 07 Mar 2004 00:48

Ah, we're getting closer to it, it seems...

Ludde is a professional, right?

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 07 Mar 2004 01:00

If he's not then he must be independently wealthy, to know how to do coding at that level and not need to be paid for it.

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