Railroad crossings are so damn dangerous

zeldafan99 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:40 pm **Posts:** 11

is there a type of railroad signal i can use to stop the road vehicles from crashing into the rails all the damn time? the crossing only lowers when the train is REALLY close, causing crashes a lot more then i would like. :roll:

Edd.Dragon · **Posted:** Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:18 pm

There is problem with crossings. Especially with crossings over several train lanes.

And there is patch for this. But without patching no way to resolve this problem. Build bridges/tunells in problem places.

lawton27 · **Posted:** Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:22 pm

Try building a path signal before it :wink:

Edd.Dragon · **Posted:** Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:32 pm

lawton27 wrote:

Try building a path signal before it :wink:

... to stop the road vehicles from crashing ...

zeldafan99 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:40 pm **Posts:** 11

Edd.Dragon wrote:

There is problem with crossings. Especially with crossings over several train lanes.

And there is patch for this. But without patching no way to resolve this problem. Build bridges/tunells in problem places.

wait so, its a glitch? im guessing this will be fixed in the next stable?

Level Crossing · **Posted:** Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:37 pm

Yes, if a path is reserved through the level crossing, the crossing is closed.

Therefore, place a path signal far enough away so all RVs have enough time to clear the crossing.

And no, this is not a glitch.

zeldafan99 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:40 pm **Posts:** 11

Level Crossing wrote:

Yes, if a path is reserved through the level crossing, the crossing is closed.

Therefore, place a path signal far enough away so all RVs have enough time to clear the crossing.

And no, this is not a glitch.

>Level Crossing

well i guess you know what your talking about... considering your talking about yourself :wink:

PikkaBird · **Posted:** Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:41 pm

Edd.Dragon wrote:

lawton27 wrote:

Try building a path signal before it :wink:

... to stop the road vehicles from crashing ...

When path signals are used, crossings will be closed as soon as a train reserves a path through the crossing, even if that train is 20 tiles away at the time.

If path signals are not used, the game has no way of knowing in advance that a train is going to be travelling through the crossing, so the crossing doesn't close until the train is half a tile away. This is TTD behaviour.

So, lawton and Level Crossing (user name is relevant!) are correct. Build path signals, and provide a sufficient distance between the signal and the crossing, and the crossing will close earlier and be safer for RVs.

zeldafan99 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:40 pm **Posts:** 11

PikkaBird wrote:

Edd.Dragon wrote:

lawton27 wrote:

Try building a path signal before it :wink:

... to stop the road vehicles from crashing ...

When path signals are used, crossings will be closed as soon as a train reserves a path through the crossing, even if that train is 20 tiles away at the time.

If path signals are not used, the game has no way of knowing in advance that a train is going to be travelling through the crossing, so the crossing doesn't close until the train is half a tile away. This is TTD behaviour.

So, lawton and Level Crossing (user name is relevant!) are correct. Build path signals, and provide a sufficient distance between the signal and the crossing, and the crossing will close earlier and be safer for RVs.

so, wouldn't that mean the train stops for the RV? (although not that big of a deal, i would rather it be the other way around)

Level Crossing · **Posted:** Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:22 pm

No, the train does not stop for the RV(s). It just means that additional RVs are prevented from entering the crossing.

Eddi · **Joined:** Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:14 am **Posts:** 4576

be aware that doubletracks will turn into even bigger death traps, when using path signals.

kamnet · **Posted:** Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:22 am

If a multi-rail crossing is frequented enough by vehicles that it's causing accidents, then don't allow level crossings across the multiple tracks.

Emperor Jake · **Posted:** Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:26 am

Or use the patch that closes adjacent level crossings at the same time. It is found in Chill's Patchpack, along with many other useful and fun patches that aren't in the standard game.

Supercheese · **Posted:** Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:00 am

I avoid level crossings like the plague for this reason - building either road or rail bridges is much, much safer!

Herode · **Joined:** Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:35 pm **Posts:** 13

[Noob's question] Bridges and tunnels are fine but they do not seem to stop the IA building more roads across your rails, even a few squares afar from your newly built bridges... Looks like crossings spawn from evey single square of road in the vicinity of rails.
I tried deleting and re-building the guilty roads myself, drawing nice straight roads running from one bridge to the other, in hope that the IA would use those pathes instead of building new crossings. Didn't work... :roll:

Is there any way to convice the IA NOT to build a road somewhere ?

planetmaker · **Posted:** Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:55 pm

Herode wrote:

Is there any way to convice the IA NOT to build a road somewhere ?

Yes or yes or no.

No: for the AI you use most probably not.
Yes: But you might try other AIs. I know of AI which actually actively detect such level crossings and replace them by bridges for their vehicles
Yes: Improve the AI(s). Write better code for them so that they re-use existing codes.

Eddi · **Joined:** Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:14 am **Posts:** 4576

you can't really stop AIs from building crossings, but vehicles should prefer the bridges, if the detour is not too long.

Herode · **Joined:** Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:35 pm **Posts:** 13

All right, thanks for the tips !

What AI(s) would you recommend for the purpose ?

Also, I discovered recently a button in the toolbar allowing me to buy land. It looks like the AI does not build roads through the squares I bought, so maybe buying those squares along the lines in the regions where the AI actively build roads and crossings could stand for an acceptable solution. Of course, cash is not a problem in my current (first) game which has very easy conditions and acts mostly as a sandbox. Not sure the option will be viable in a standard game, though... :?:

APDAF · **Joined:** Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:26 pm **Posts:** 2403

I know of another way.

You have your railway and you dig a trench right next to it.

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