UK Railway Set (UKRS2) Extended graphics contributions

FLHerne · **Posted:** Mon May 14, 2012 9:51 am

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...such as being able to set specific sections of track to a maximum speed of 75/90/100mph so...

What I meant was that you could build that section with a 75/90/100mph tracktype, then the limit would exist :wink:

. The other suggestions are much better though - I'd forgotten the speed-limiting timetables existed in 1.2.

PikkaBird · **Posted:** Mon May 14, 2012 10:03 am

FLHerne wrote:

Quote:

...such as being able to set specific sections of track to a maximum speed of 75/90/100mph so...

What I meant was that you could build that section with a 75/90/100mph tracktype, then the limit would exist :wink:

. The other suggestions are much better though - I'd forgotten the speed-limiting timetables existed in 1.2.

Of course, the "maximum speed" variable in OpenTTD doesn't understand timetabled speeds (or track speed limits, for that matter). Any UKRS2 train which has its speed reduced this way will think it's still accelerating, with the according running costs and sound effects. :roll:

Supercheese · **Posted:** Mon May 14, 2012 8:53 pm

PikkaBird wrote:

Of course, the "maximum speed" variable in OpenTTD doesn't understand timetabled speeds (or track speed limits, for that matter). Any UKRS2 train which has its speed reduced this way will think it's still accelerating, with the according running costs and sound effects. :roll:

Well, what do you know, looks like you've got friends in high places: http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/index.p ... oldid=3097 :wink:

alistairgrew · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2012 10:55 am

Supercheese wrote:

PikkaBird wrote:

Of course, the "maximum speed" variable in OpenTTD doesn't understand timetabled speeds (or track speed limits, for that matter). Any UKRS2 train which has its speed reduced this way will think it's still accelerating, with the according running costs and sound effects. :roll:

Well, what do you know, looks like you've got friends in high places: http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/index.p ... oldid=prev :wink:

I was just trying to work out what exactly that pages means, I assume it is that the a new variable allowing trains to no longer attempt to accelerate when the speed limit is reached?

PikkaBird · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2012 12:34 pm

alistairgrew wrote:

I was just trying to work out what exactly that pages means, I assume it is that the a new variable allowing trains to no longer attempt to accelerate when the speed limit is reached?

I don't think so, I think it just allows the grf author to test the actual maximum allowed speed.

planetmaker · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2012 12:38 pm

PikkaBird wrote:

FLHerne wrote:

Quote:

...such as being able to set specific sections of track to a maximum speed of 75/90/100mph so...

What I meant was that you could build that section with a 75/90/100mph tracktype, then the limit would exist :wink:

. The other suggestions are much better though - I'd forgotten the speed-limiting timetables existed in 1.2.

Of course, the "maximum speed" variable in OpenTTD doesn't understand timetabled speeds (or track speed limits, for that matter). Any UKRS2 train which has its speed reduced this way will think it's still accelerating, with the according running costs and sound effects. :roll:

This posting inspired it and It should solve exactly this problem. Or doesn't it?

PikkaBird · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2012 1:39 pm

planetmaker wrote:

This posting inspired it and It should solve exactly this problem. Or doesn't it?

Yes, it should. But I haven't done it yet.

Eddi · **Joined:** Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:14 am **Posts:** 4614

how dare you not implement this within 30 seconds!!!1!1einself

Michi_cc · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2012 3:29 pm

Supercheese wrote:

Well, what do you know, looks like you've got friends in high places: http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/index.p ... oldid=prev :wink:

Please also note my slight description adjustment later on.

-- Michael Lutz

FLHerne · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 9:49 am

There seems to be an alignment bug for the PGA hoppers - white vertical lines in \ direction.
EDIT: Only when loaded, possibly only some cargos. Also, Bauxite seems to be the wrong colour?

P.S. - In the main set, would it make sense for cartics to carry FIRS Engineering Supplies? Those seem to be represented as vehicles often...

Ovenbaked · **Joined:** Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:32 pm **Posts:** 31

Does this mean that a train timetabled to travel slower than it's max-speed will have lower running costs? Or will it have the same running costs as if it was at max-speed?
So a 100mph train would be cheaper to run at 60mph? Of course the amount you make on cargo would be reduced but it would be helpful in areas where fast trains share the same lines as slow. (I like character, some lines have arbitrary weight limits to brake up the monotony and that can result in the trains running slower than if larger locos where used).

I wonder if it's possible to make a track set that instead of having speed limits has axle-load limits?

PikkaBird · **Posted:** Thu May 31, 2012 9:03 am

Ovenbaked wrote:

Does this mean that a train timetabled to travel slower than it's max-speed will have lower running costs? Or will it have the same running costs as if it was at max-speed?

Currently, it will have the same running costs as if it were accelerating to maximum speed (so, for diesels and electrics, higher than maximum speed running costs). With the new variable, it could have whatever running costs the author wished, but in UKRS2's case it will have the same running costs as if it was at maximum speed.

Ovenbaked · **Joined:** Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:32 pm **Posts:** 31

But the lower wear on bearings and the lower fuel consumption both reduce running costs!
Useful for light-rail and branch-lines: cheaper+more time for passengers to be dropped off by bus.
Another question: If a locomotive has a top speed of 90mph but is hauling carriages with a max of 80mph, dose that count as constant acceleration?

NekoMaster · **Posted:** Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:19 pm

Ovenbaked wrote:

But the lower wear on bearings and the lower fuel consumption both reduce running costs!
Useful for light-rail and branch-lines: cheaper+more time for passengers to be dropped off by bus.
Another question: If a locomotive has a top speed of 90mph but is hauling carriages with a max of 80mph, dose that count as constant acceleration?

I dont think wagon speed limits effect running costs like having trains run on low speed rail.

Bob_Mackenzie · **Joined:** Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:36 pm **Posts:** 775

I've noted that the Gate tube has the spark effect. I'm not sure this is appropriate for a 3rd rail train?

PikkaBird · **Posted:** Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:51 pm

Ovenbaked wrote:

But the lower wear on bearings and the lower fuel consumption both reduce running costs!

Well, the shorter time taken to accelerate to maximum speed will reduce running costs...

Quote:

Another question: If a locomotive has a top speed of 90mph but is hauling carriages with a max of 80mph, dose that count as constant acceleration?

No, the wagon speed limit is taken into account when calculating the train maximum speed already.

Bob_Mackenzie wrote:

I've noted that the Gate tube has the spark effect. I'm not sure this is appropriate for a 3rd rail train?

All 3rd rail trains have it. It's moderately appropriate.

FLHerne · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:47 pm

Bug report: Speedlink Opens are unable to refit by orders (either by 'goto depot, refit' or 'autorefit'). The Speedlink Vans in the main set do not suffer from this.
EDIT: That might be partly due to auto-refitting one way only (which is quite confusing) - doesn't explain why depot-order refits don't work though

As a FIRS user, I was also surprised that Presflos cannot carry Building Supplies. Being cement tankers, this would seem obvious... :wink:

Thanks for the set, anyway. The number of loco types in this set now is very impressive! :bow:

classics_prof · **Joined:** Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:45 pm **Posts:** 36

Being an annoying awkward pedant Mr. Pikka, but should the West Country and BoB be hauling red carriages pre-1948? Unless they're Midland excursion stock...

alistairgrew · **Posted:** Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:58 pm

*Shameless Bump*
Hi Pikka has there been any progress with the set as I am really looking forward to being able to play with the 442 and 373?
Thanks again for your hard work (and the contributors) :!:

SquireJames · **Posted:** Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:57 am

I'm currently experimenting with NML, so this is partially just for me to have some graphics that I know work to tinker with code wise. However, thought i'd offer them up here.

It's a simple cut and change job really, using the cab and firebox of the Jubilee with the rest of lawtons King Arthur and replacing the tender with a 4000 Gal LMS one. If you are willing, you could also replace the tender with one from either the 3F or 4F to represent the original Fowler tender. You could also have it refit in the mid to late 40s into the Rebuilt Shape, which at TTD scale would probably be best represented by your Crimson Jubilee sprites. All in all there is a lot of scope for this loco

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