[OTTD] 2cc TrainSet - The Trains of the world in 2cc

[Kogut]

Design speed is very problematic for AIs - it is impossible to access that property what results in trains with 200k running costs (not inflated pounds!)

Is it possible to
- disable that feature for AIs (as it is inacessible via NoAI API)
- for AIs use design speed as max speed
- return design speed as max speed via NoAI API

EDIT: Ekhhm Why FIRS milk can travel only in part of tankers?
EDIT: WTF Wool in tankers?

[planetmaker]

Already drawn by me for the Dutch Trainset. Not in 2cc though. Lets see if I can find the sprites
EDIT: Can't find it. Perhaps someone can decode the Dutch Trainset for them? My sprites are GPL'd anyways

Decoded it with some other suggestions from the set.

dutchtrainsw.png

I guess... as DJNekkid coded also the DutchTrainSet... he might have those graphics in a non-decoded form even
http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dut ... repository
http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cc ... repository

[Emperor Jake]

How about an earlier start date, including more pre-1920 engines? After all, we already have a few metros that come out in late 1800s, why not add a 2-2-2 express locomotive and a 4-4-0 American? And have the 1st generation carriages arrive earlier as well, then the 2nd gen. in 1920.
Plus:
Maybe a Garratt engine? They were quite common in most of the Southern Hemisphere...
A UK Class 67 (we need more fast, modern diesels)
A Siemens ER20 (I have one of these in my set; feel free to use the sprites, just ask )
A TALENT EMU
A Deltic
A Brush class 92 (able to run on the 3rd rail tracks)
These are just my suggestions; but, like the Portuguese locomotive, I believe they will fill some gaps.

Thanks for continuing to improve an already awesome set,
Jake

[xenon]

How about some soviet metrotrains??
(use google translate)
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0% ... %95%D0%B63
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/81-717 (i'd like this train (81-717.5 exactly) replace the 81-720 (there is only about 10 trains of this exist and this type of trains is discontinued as said here http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0% ... 0%B0%C2%BB))

[Simozzz]

Ezh3 and Yauza in set already but have wrong naming(81-729 instead of 81-720) or less common hungarian version used (Ev3).
81-717 will be good adition to the set

[DJ Nekkid]

ow about an earlier start date, including more pre-1920 engines? After all, we already have a few metros that come out in late 1800s, why not add a 2-2-2 express locomotive and a 4-4-0 American? And have the 1st generation carriages arrive earlier as well, then the 2nd gen. in 1920.

Voyager1 have drawn some early steamers, and they are coded into the nightlies. I dont remember the exact dates, but the first one i think is 1848.
First generation wagons come out in 1700 iirc, so that should not be a problem.

A UK Class 67 (we need more fast, modern diesels)

Agreed

A Siemens ER20

I _think_ there already is some very similar engines in the set, but i dont have the sheet in front of me right now, so im not 100% sure, but if you wanna adopt it to a 2cc version, i'll be happy to include it. If so, make a ticket on the 2cc-part of the devzone with a .png as well as specs. And if so, please use the proper template.

A TALENT EMU

IIRC is the BM93 a talent

A Deltic
A Brush class 92 (able to run on the 3rd rail tracks)

I guess the same goes for theese as the ER20...

I guess... as DJNekkid coded also the DutchTrainSet... he might have those graphics in a non-decoded form even

No i dont am i afraid...

Is it possible to
- disable that feature for AIs (as it is inacessible via NoAI API)
- for AIs use design speed as max speed
- return design speed as max speed via NoAI API

Ill look into it.

How about some soviet metrotrains??

There already is two included (as you mention), but if more is drawn, i'll include

[Voyager One]

A Siemens ER20, A Deltic, A Brush class 92

There are already very similar engines and besides, there are the TRAXX and Taurus as "best" ones so far. AFAIK, all steamers and diesels can already run on 3rd rail.

A TALENT EMU

Desiro EMU and Desiro DMU already included - very very similar.

A UK Class 67

This one is a good idea. There are fast electrics but no fast diesels yet.

more pre-1920 engines

4-4-0 American comes in 1848., after that a Ten-Wheeler, a Consolidation, some small tank engines etc. Check the nightly...
Still, more early engines are in my "to-draw" list. Suggestions are always welcome as well.

soviet metrotrains

There are already 2 Soviet/Russian metros + one soviet/russian in Hungarian colors. I'd really like to make something that's still missing regarding the country of origin. We have American, UK, French, Russian, Japanese... what about others. People, I don't know all the rolling stock in the world, give me a suggestion with all the data available. I hate it when I draw something and then find myself without proper data.

IMO, the underrepresented countries are: China, Spain, Canada, India, Australia, Czech Republic and Slovakia, Poland, Brasil, Argentina, African countries (!!!!)... just to name a few. So, start digging for something interesting.

[Emperor Jake]

Wow, I'd better check the nightly before i post more suggestions...

*downloads nightly & tests in game*

China, Spain, Canada, India, Australia, Czech Republic and Slovakia, Poland, Brasil, Argentina, African countries (!!!!)

As I said: A Garratt steamer
Many African and South American countries bought GE Universal and similar units from the US. Why not add some of those?
South African Class 6E (*EDIT 2*) Don't draw this. I drew it
Here are some Moroccan locomotives with stats: http://www.railfaneurope.net/list/moroc ... oncfm.html
An older CityRail train, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CityRail_L,_R_%26_S_sets would come out much earlier than the rest of the bilevel EMUs (*EDIT*) Don't draw this. I drew it
Spanish Talgo 350 (do we really need more high-speed trains?)
An eaarly 2-2-2 Express Engine (UK)
*EDIT* Ooh! Ooh! A Shay!


Now that I have the nightly: Bug time
The New Zealand locomotive has an Australian flag
The TRAXX F140 should go 140 km/h, or renamed TRAXX P160
The Hunter Railcar goes 144 km/h
A few of the flags have flashing red pixels
The 27000 and the Metrovick EM2 is the same locomotive (please keep the EM2, it looks better)
The Japanese locomotives are a little slow compared to the Japan Set


Thanks,
Jake

[xenon]

then i suggest rename Ev3 to original name and mark as soviet not hungarian. sadly practially all soviet and russian metrotrains have similar techdata.

[Emperor Jake]

Oh no! What happened to the Chimaera? Please bring it back, I can't upgrade my game without it
(The separate "2cc Chimaera" GRF isn't good enough, it's slow and carries less)

Obviously it's still in there, as the graphics are unchanged except they have "no power"

[Voyager One]

Bug time

Oh really?!?
Flashing pixels - already reported several months ago, we're still having trouble with them.
TRAXX - 140 or 160, no problem.
NZ flag - DAMN YOU! It was unavailable so I've put the Aussie one (very similar). DJ Nekkid and I even joked that noone will notice. OK, OK, I'll draw the proper one and change it.
The 27000 and the Metrovik are NOT the same engine. Try adding cargo wagons to the 27000 - you can't - it's a passenger-only loco.
Japanese locomotives have speeds according to many sites. I don't know where have the Japan set got their info but I've cheched mine over and over and I'm sure it's right (check Wikipedia).

[Voyager One]

Double post, sorry.

then i suggest rename Ev3 to original name and mark as soviet not hungarian. sadly practially all soviet and russian metrotrains have similar techdata.

It's an artists' decision which country to "use".

What you suggest would have the effect that I shouldn't represent Croatia only because no locomotives have been built in Croatia but in Italy or Sweden or... Also, how many Polish or Ukrainian or Slovakian locomotives should be there? They were mostly built in USSR, should they all be Soviet then? Also, I've drawn a WWII German locomotive, should there be a Nazi flag?

All this is simple to avoid by letting the artist choose...

[xenon]

i got your point but this is my opinion and you may not agree with it.

[DJ Nekkid]

or that most post1990 engines usually have been built abroad, but adopted to the respectable country. Plus, the "liveries" that is drawn is based upon whatever countrys version..

i.e. the "talent" in the set is based upon the nowegian "bm93", the "lok2000" is based upon the swizz RE460 (iirc), and the Desiros are based upon the german liveries, but there are most likely more from UK etc, and i have no idea where its built, but afaik is it a bombardier engine.

[Simozzz]

There are some diesel locomotives which would be the best if USSR didn't crash: TEP80 and 2TE126.
Btw, there isn't any modern russian engines.

What you suggest would have the effect that I shouldn't represent Croatia only because no locomotives have been built in Croatia but in Italy or Sweden or... Also, how many Polish or Ukrainian or Slovakian locomotives should be there? They were mostly built in USSR, should they all be Soviet then? Also, I've drawn a WWII German locomotive, should there be a Nazi flag?

Why not to use flag of country of origin and write where are they used in purchasing list?

[Voyager One]

"TMWFTLB"

As for modern Russians, I'm planning to draw the 2TE25A "Vityaz" and the 2ES6 "Yedinaya Rossia".

[xenon]

2TE126 was an experimental engine and never been in service it was build only 1 vehicle of this type.
http://parovoz.com/newgallery/pg_view.p ... RU#picture 2TE126 photo 1989 year.
AFAIK 2es6 named "sinara"
http://www.train-photo.ru/details.php?image_id=94759 as proof
a lot of it's photos http://www.train-photo.ru/categories.php?cat_id=441 here

[Vemarkis]

I was wondering if the set could use the Stadler FLIRT which is used in many countries in Europe. Stadlers site has fact sheets for the various operators using the FLIRT.

[Emperor Jake]

The 27000 and the Metrovik are NOT the same engine. Try adding cargo wagons to the 27000 - you can't - it's a passenger-only loco.

I beg to differ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_77
Just because one is coded for passenger only doesn't make them different locomotives.

[DJ Nekkid]

afaik isnt there any different between thoose two codewise, both use the same template, so both should be able to pull all none-mu-wagon-wagons