[OTTD] 2cc TrainsInNML

Lionic · Post by **Lionic** » 19 May 2015 10:36

As you wish. TEP 60 won't be useless in Asia either.

Simozzz · Post by **Simozzz** » 19 May 2015 11:22

I'll run trough this list but don't expect me to add them all. I've already said that I'll add a few to fill in some gaps

And I won't expect. I've checked for most common or interesting locomotives. And only you decide which will make it to grf.

TEP60 was introduced in 1960 while the TEP70 was introduced in 1973

TEP70 was introduced in 1978, ones build between 1973 and 1978 are preserial versions. Strangely they keep same series. There was TEP75 in 1976-77 which have more common parts with serial TEP70.

I prefer to add something to fill the gap instead of changing regions for an engine and risk making a new gap

Well, there is gasturbine version of TEP60 - GP1 which could be added if you move TEP60. Or two other, slower diesels: TEP10 and TEP10L (another single cab body). Both could be added as Ukranian for Europe.

doesn't fall into the "1980s/1990s engines" category

Then I don't think you'll find anything introduced at that time. Most engines have been developed at 70s to replace older ones, developed after WW2. And 80s/90s was a time, when eastern block fall apart and there was no time nor money for developing new locomotives...

and as far as I'm concerned that covers all 2TE10 variants

If you think that you can cover all 2TE10* series (1960s 2TE10 and up to modern 2TE10Ut) with single version which produced only for 8 years, let it be so.

Same goes for different E499 variant

Have you ever opened that links? If you do, you'll see that E499.2 and E499.3 are completly different locomotives... Ok. Let's call them not E499.2 and E499.3 as per for CSD classification but 150 and 163 as CD classifies them. Better now?

(but they still not produced in 80s/90s...)

there is an exUSSR set available for OTTD so be my guest...

Oh! Really?

...

Well, I'm one of it's creators.

I just wanted to help with making eastern part of your set.
There is still problem with VL15/VL85 (considering " usual scaling (1/8 = cca 2,5m)" they should be 9/8 for a single unit and VL15 still have only have 3/4 of it's power) and VL22m (runs too fast)... Also Эмх should be writen as Emh, not Emch (Эмч).
I think that adding a task at devzone will be better...

Voyager One · Post by **Voyager One** » 20 May 2015 06:21

Simozzz wrote:
Voyager One wrote:there is an exUSSR set available for OTTD so be my guest...
Oh! Really?... Well, I'm one of it's creators.

Really? I wouldn't have guessed it...

Seriously now, I know that, I was being a bit sarcastic... Sorry.

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Simozzz wrote:TEP70 was introduced in 1978, ones build between 1973 and 1978 are preserial versions

OK, this is something I didn't know. However, I'm not really keen in that TEP60/TEP70 change.

Simozzz wrote:Then I don't think you'll find anything introduced at that time.

Not quite true. In fact, if you take a look at the tracking table, I've already sorted out East Europe and I've even insterted some of your suggestions that fit perfectly...

Simozzz wrote:2TE10

I know that variants differ, sometimes even a lot but there is another thing you must consider. What do you think would happen with this set if I add several 2TE10 variants, then several TRAXX variants, then several "Taurus" variants, then several "Prima" variants, then several... you get the point. This is already a massive set and these "variants" would be overkill IMO.

Because of this, my "logic" goes like this: find a gap (regional or time) and find an engine that can fill that gap, preferably adding engines from as many different countries as possible to have more "flag" variety. I'm not saying that possibly sometimes it will have to be a "variant" to fill a gap, that's quite possible when there's nothing else.

Simozzz wrote: If you do, you'll see that E499.2 and E499.3 are completly different locomotives

My bad, I didn't have much time yesterday and I've just glanced at them. I see now, thanks. 150 is out (70s) but I think I'll add the 163, we'll see.

EDIT: Scratch this last one, I'm adding this one!

Simozzz · Post by **Simozzz** » 20 May 2015 09:11

What do you think would happen with this set if I add several 2TE10 variants, then several TRAXX variants, then several "Taurus" variants, then several "Prima" variants, then several...

First of all look at timespan of production. TE10 was in production for 40 years, while TRAXX and Taurus (even if you count whole ES64 series) less than 10 years. Another point is an amount of locomotives build... If you add all TRAXX(900) to all Taurus(360) build that won't be enough to cover only 2TE10M (2444) produced for same period of 9 years.
And there is already several Prima (BR Class 67, RAI DE43CA, KTZ KZ8A + ONCF E 1400 'Prima II' from table) and several ES64 (DB 182, Korail 8200). There are others but it'll take some time to find them (ones easy to find are EMD F series (F3, FP9, FL9) and IC3).

find a gap (regional or time) and find an engine that can fill that gap

That's why somewhere only shunters produced at given time, somewhere only *MUs... That's better to keep separate lines for different purposes and then fill gaps in lines. If there are no much models in region than keep only 3 lines: PAX loco, Cargo loco and *MU. For regions like Central (Western) Europe more lines: Fast PAX EMUs, Regional PAX EMUs, DMU, shunter locos, PAX diesel, freight diesel, universal diesel, PAX e-loc, freight e-loc, universal e-loc.
For example there is a gap in diesels in Eastern europe before CFR 060-DA (1959). Only shunters apear at that time. But after that none of them appears.

Voyager One · Post by **Voyager One** » 20 May 2015 09:29

OK, OK... Give me a suggestion but make it brief and concise. I've added the 2TE10M (1981.) for Belarus. Now, choose two more 2TE10 variants that fit into East Europe (write the country) and fall between 1983 and 1999. End of story.

Simozzz · Post by **Simozzz** » 20 May 2015 10:53

There are two 2TE10 in that period: 2TE10U and 2TE10Ut. First identical to 2TE10M, while second regeared for higher speed. That's why 2TE10Ut is better.
There is an a gap between CFR 060-DA and HZ 2062 where another versoin of 2TE10 may fit: 2TE10L (or passenger TEP10L).
Also despite they have only one cab, they can operate as single unit.
And as I've already said all 2TE10 were made at Ukraine (First 2TE10 even nicknamed "Ukraine").

At th end, note that each half of 2TE126 is 25m long (24750mm) or 10/8 (gives 20/8 total).

Voyager One · Post by **Voyager One** » 21 May 2015 07:39

So be it... TEP10L (1964) added for Ukraine and 2TE10Ut (1989) added for Ukraine too.

- East Europe is done, no more additions to the list. I said "a few" engines and now there are 15 of them.

- Asia is also covered, no more additions to the list there either.
- South Europe - I have added 8 engines to the list but I'm still looking for one or two steamers (preferably 1930s). Other than that, that's covered too.

@Lionic - Added your GMA Garrat (

) and another interesting thing I've found...

te_lanus · Post by **te_lanus** » 21 May 2015 11:43

Voyager One wrote: @Lionic - Added your GMA Garrat ( ) and another interesting thing I've found...

So another ZA train

so me wonder about that ZA garrat

Lionic · Post by **Lionic** » 21 May 2015 12:11

Voyager One wrote: @Lionic - Added your GMA Garrat ( ) and another interesting thing I've found...

It wasn't me, but thanks for being generous!

Voyager One · Post by **Voyager One** » 21 May 2015 20:35

Ah well, it's still in...

Was that your request te_lanus?

te_lanus · Post by **te_lanus** » 22 May 2015 01:29

Voyager One wrote:Ah well, it's still in...

Was that your request te_lanus?

Yip it was mine

thanx

Voyager One · Post by **Voyager One** » 22 May 2015 09:57

As far as I'm concerned, the to-do list is complete... so back to the drawing board...

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NekoMaster · Post by **NekoMaster** » 22 May 2015 16:55

Voyager One wrote:As far as I'm concerned, the to-do list is complete... so back to the drawing board...

UZ TEP10L.PNG

CP 2600.PNG

Good job as always Voyager

I hope to see more works from you in the future

Voyager One · Post by **Voyager One** » 23 May 2015 10:03

Simozzz, happy now?

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Voyager One · Post by **Voyager One** » 24 May 2015 17:10

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Lionic · Post by **Lionic** » 25 May 2015 06:05

I must admit that although Ukrainian diesels are much more needed for my game, I love CP2600 the most. Just like all that line of French "broken-nose" locomotives.