AI trains problem after cht: track

[3iff]

Using Nightly 1659 then 1664

When monorails came into being, I used cht: tracks 2 to convert my track to monorail. A while afterwards, I noticed that one particular AI company had its trains 'stuck'. The oscillated back and forth on the track they were on and it seemed that they were rail trains (Floss 47) on monorail track.

I've yet to go back and analyse what has happened, and might have a savegame or two from before the problem. I think that their tracks were already monorail and the cht: tracks might have had an effect on them...but I might be wrong.

Just wondering if anyone has seen this problem before. Would changing nightly version in the middle of the game have had any effect?

[DeletedUser6]

Doubt it(!)

I think (as I have had lots of experience with OTTD) the answer is.....


no!!!!!!!!!

You see on OTTD for example: A saved game from 0.4.5 will work with 0.5.2 which will work with 0.6.7 etc.etc.

So I think your stuck forever unless you trash it cammando style and by cammando style I mean..

1. Zip it up,
2. Send it to me (i will pm you my e-mail,)
3. I will see whats wrong,
4. I will pm you whats wrong,
And you will do the rest.

OTTD master

PS: what does cht mean?

[Tyyppi]

I don't think OTTDmaster can help with TTDPatch problem...

[DaleStan]

Would changing nightly version in the middle of the game have had any effect?

That shouldn't. It may, however, be that I subtly broke cht:tracks in r1469, but I can't reproduce it easily. Got a savegame?

(Or, for fun and games, send your save to OTTDMaster, and see what it can make of the problem.)

[Lakie]

OTTDmaster: If you don't use TTDpatch please don't comment in the TTDpatch problems section, you will only cause confusion.
And for clarification, you can change quite happily use newer TTDpatch versions with old saved games.

As far as I'm aware cht:tracks will only convert all of the company which does the cheats tracks on the map (or atleast that is how it works here in r1675).
It has been known the the AI to build monorail and try using normal rail vehicles on it though, or atleast I've seen it try and do it...

~ Lakie

[DaleStan]

As far as I'm aware cht:tracks will only convert all of the company which does the cheats tracks on the map (or atleast that is how it works here in r1675).

That company and all parents, siblings, and subsidiaries. If the tables that track those relationships somehow got corrupted, then strange things could happen, but they should happen to both tracks and vehicles for every company, not just one or the other.

[Lakie]

Well, with my company and a ai company:
- From no to 50% shares in a company, only my tracks are altered.
- However, with 75% owned both mine and his tracks are converted.

~ Lakie

[DaleStan]

And that's as it should be, assuming the vehicles got converted too. ... :thought: ... Though maybe only if experimentalfeatures.cooperative on? (Why do you do this to yourself, Dale? Why?)

[3iff]

Thanks for all the comments, especially Dalestan...

Seems as if an AI company is converted if you own 75% of the shares, but this happens even if the Subsidiaries patch is OFF. I'm not sure if there's another setting in experimental features...just going to have a look.

If the shareholding is 0-50% (as Lakie said), then no track conversion happens. I don't mind the track conversion happening, but the train vehicles are not converted when the track is changed and that effectively kills the trains.

I have tried the same thing on some older games and the problem happens consistently...although it may be a setting that I've overlooked...will check and report back.

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Looks like the only two settings are Subsidiares (set to OFF) and experimentalfeatures.cooperative - value 2 (set to OFF).

Until it's fixed (assuming it's a fault and not me being stupid) is to avoid owning 75% of any company with rail tracks when you convert from rail to monorail (or from something to maglev).

[DeletedUser6]

so? im only trying to help!!!!!!

[DaleStan]

Seems as if an AI company is converted if you own 75% of the shares, but this happens even if the Subsidiaries patch is OFF. I'm not sure if there's another setting in experimental features...just going to have a look.

If you have either subsidiaries or morestats(!) on, the controlling records will be updated whenever you buy or sell a share, and if you have approximately anything at all on, the controlling records will be updated on game load.

If the shareholding is 0-50% (as Lakie said), then no track conversion happens. I don't mind the track conversion happening, but the train vehicles are not converted when the track is changed and that effectively kills the trains.

That is in fact, well and truly broken, but it should be fixed by tonight. I'll also disentangle things so that subsidiaries is the only switch that causes the sign cheats to effect multiple companies.

[3iff]

Thanks Dalestan.

New nightly (1682) downloaded and I'll try it tonight. Excellent service!

[SHADOW-XIII]

so? im only trying to help!!!!!!

- no, you are not helping, you confuse people. This is TTDPatch section so unless you know how to fix it in TTDPath stay only in OTTD section. You did not help with his problem at all
- do not use bigger font in every post, it looks bad and says poorly about your netiquette
- there's no point of using multiple ! signs, one is enough.

[3iff]

Dalestan,

Just checked the fix and it works as expected. AI company tracks will only change with subsidiaries ON and when owning 75% of the shares. The trains are converted too.

Many Thanks.